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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2633187.stm

quote: Jesus Christ and his apostles may have used a cannabis-based anointing oil to help cure people with crippling diseases, it has been claimed. Researchers in the United States say the oil used in the early days of the Christian church contained a cannabis extract called kaneh-bosem. They suggest the extract, which is absorbed into the body when placed on the skin, could have helped cure people with a variety of physical and mental problems. The medical use of cannabis during that time is supported by archaeological records Chris Bennet The author of the article, published in the US drugs magazine High Times, says his findings are based on a study of scriptural texts. Wide use The article does not question the validity of the miracles reported in the Bible but rather examines whether the early Christian Church may have made use of substances with an active medical effect. They do not rule out the role played by blind faith in Christ. Chris Bennett said cannabis was widely used at the time to heal the sick. "The medical use of cannabis during that time is supported by archaeological records." He said the ancient anointing oil contained high levels of cannabis extract. "The holy anointing oil, as described in the original Hebrew version of the recipe in Exodus, contained over six pounds of keneh-bosum - a substance identified by respected etymology, linguists anthropologists, botanists and other researchers as cannabis extracted into about six quarts of olive oil along with a variety of other fragrant herbs. "The ancient annointed ones were literally drenched in this potent mixture." Miracles Mr Bennett suggested the drug may have played a role in some healing miracles carried out by Jesus and his disciples. He wrote: "In the ancient world, diseases such as epilepsy were attributed to demonic possession. "To cure somebody of such an illness, even with the aid of certain herbs was considered exorcism or miraculous healing. Jesus often becomes the final hope for the pharmacologically impaired JesusJournal.com "Interestingly, cannabis has been shown to be effective in the treatment of not only epilepsy but many of the other ailments that Jesus and the disciples healed people of such as skin diseases, eye problems and menstrual problems." Mr Bennett said the findings suggested that it was unchristian to persecute people who used cannabis. "If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient Christian anointing oil, as history indicates, and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ." However, Christian groups in the United States have rejected Mr Bennett's claims. They have insisted that the arguments made in the article are lame. In a response to the article published on JesusJournal.com, critics said: "As many of us know firsthand, Jesus often becomes the final hope for the pharmacologically impaired."

Wonder which of the Apostles was responsible for carrying Jesus' stash

	07-01-2003 04:56									#2
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I think people who take drugs should be crucified.

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So maybe there was some truth in that "What If God Smoked Cannabis?" parody after all...

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quote: Mr Bennett said the findings suggested that it was unchristian to persecute people who used cannabis.

sounds like a man on a mission.....

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I'm stunned. I agree with american christians; the aguments are lame!

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If anything it was probably hash. More common to the area.

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If this is such ground breaking archelogical research then why can't this crack pot get published any where but High Times?

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I'm surprised no one has come in to claim that they doubt the claims on the basis that Jesus didn't exist and that the evidence is faux.

And cue..

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He's dopey.

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quote: I'm stunned. I agree with american christians; the aguments are lame!

Not quite. Cannabis is one of the most widely used medicinal herbs throughout history, the world over. And has been known to cure/alleviate all above mentioned ailments. It has also been proven to cure/alleviate a number of ailments of the modern world, that modern medicine cannot touch (e.g pain caused by ME, cancer, AIDS, all kinds of back pain etc. etc.)

quote: If anything it was probably hash.

Hash is a resin of cannabis.

quote: The holy anointing oil, as described in the original Hebrew version of the recipe in Exodus, contained over six pounds of keneh-bosum - a substance identified by respected etymology, linguists anthropologists, botanists and other researchers as cannabis extracted into about six quarts of olive oil along with a variety of other fragrant herbs.

The article's suggested preparation of medicinal cannabis makes sense also (soaking in oil), as the active ingrediant (THC) is fat soluable.

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I know what hash is, Big G. What's your point?
Mine is that if he did, it would be made into hash.
If you make hash with it, it's gone. Give me that hammer.

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Fair point, SlowwHand old boy.
But nevertheless hash is solid, and therefore wouldn't do much if left in oil.
Perhaps we should share the hammer.

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quote: Originally posted by Graag It has also been proven to cure/alleviate a number of ailments of the modern world, that modern medicine cannot touch (e.g pain caused by ME, cancer, AIDS, all kinds of back pain etc. etc.)

I've heard several debates on this subject while I was in college. The general concensus opinion of all the doctor types and what not was that for any condition which canabus shows any effect on there is already an existing treatment which does a better job.

I've also heard experts go even further by saying that the people pushing the idea of medical marajuna are addicts who are looking for an excuse to justify their addiction. Personally, I tend to agree with them. If there are already better treatments then why push to smoke joints? Unless of course smoking is what you really wanted to do to begin with.

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Let's drop the hammer, and share the joint.

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quote: The general concensus opinion of all the doctor types and what not was that for any condition which canabus shows any effect on there is already an existing treatment which does a better job.

You'd better tell that to the UK and US governments which are currently spending hundreds of thousands of pounds/dollars researching how to distribute cannabis for medicinal use in an non-smoking fashion

quote: I've also heard experts go even further by saying that the people pushing the idea of medical marajuna are addicts who are looking for an excuse to justify their addiction

Perhaps some are, but there are an awful lot of people with no agenda who simply use cannabis to ease their pain.

quote: Let's drop the hammer, and share the joint.

Quit bogarting that sh*t.

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Some links on medicinal use of cannabis:

http://www.ukcia.org/medical/views.html

http://www.ukcia.org/medical/medicalusages.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/m...otes/227926.stm

Oh, and with reference to Jesus curing blindness with cannabis:

"Glaucoma is the second-largest cause of blindness, and affects 1.5% of 50-year olds and 5% of seventy-year olds... Standard treatments have unpleasant or dangerous side effects, and have little effect on intraocular pressures in end-stage glaucoma. Cannabis however lowers intraocular pressures dramatically, with none of the serious side effects. Patients who find that standard medicines do not help their conditions report that smoking cannabis quickly restores their vision. Many long-term glaucoma patients have successfully maintained their sight using cannabis for 20 or 25 years, and avoided the gradual painful deterioration to blindness that is otherwise inevitable."

- http://www.ukcia.org/medical/glaucoma.php

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It seems unlikely that it was a major part of healing miracles and so on.

However cannabis oil is probably just one of the herbal/chemical remedies that have some potency and were used in ancient times --willowbark was used as painkiller and 9 year Merlot as disinfectant.

Many remedies did have some effect as a cure, some made things worse. It seems perfectly reasonable that weed was used as a remedy back then...

The only reason this article has any weight is the controversy over the modern use of cannabis. Don't y'all think thats a seperate issue?

Still it puts wind up the American fundies and thats fun, so way-hey, Jesus chased the dragon.

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quote: Originally posted by Graag Some links on medicinal use of cannabis: http://www.ukcia.org/medical/views.html http://www.ukcia.org/medical/medicalusages.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/m...otes/227926.stm Oh, and with reference to Jesus curing blindness with cannabis: "Glaucoma is the second-largest cause of blindness, and affects 1.5% of 50-year olds and 5% of seventy-year olds... Standard treatments have unpleasant or dangerous side effects, and have little effect on intraocular pressures in end-stage glaucoma. Cannabis however lowers intraocular pressures dramatically, with none of the serious side effects. Patients who find that standard medicines do not help their conditions report that smoking cannabis quickly restores their vision. Many long-term glaucoma patients have successfully maintained their sight using cannabis for 20 or 25 years, and avoided the gradual painful deterioration to blindness that is otherwise inevitable." - http://www.ukcia.org/medical/glaucoma.php

Most standard treatments for glaucoma are eye drops! Side effects are extremely uncommon. Controlled studies of marijuana use for treatment of glaucoma showed it to be the weakest treatment.

I've had many patients with glaucoma. Most of them developed the disease in their 60s. The eye drops available these days rarely fail to control the disease. Very few of them are going to live 20 to 25 years!

The proposed use of marijuana to control epilepsy is ludicrous. According to the article the incidental reports date back to the 19th century, at a time when medical researchers had difficulty distinguishing conversions syndromes for the real thing!

Do you have any proof that cannabis can be absorbed through the skin? There are lots of things that can be dissolved in oils and still aren't absorbed throught the skin.

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quote: Originally posted by Graag It has also been proven to cure/alleviate a number of ailments of the modern world, that modern medicine cannot touch (e.g pain caused by ME,

You think that marijuana is the cure to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the Islamic Jihad? May I remind you that one of the early groups of violent Islamic extremists, the Assassins, used hashish to prepare themselves for battle? Oh heck yes! Let's give all the heavily armed people of the world humongous amounts of a hallucinogen to make them put down their arms. Heck! We should even give it to the airmen who man America's strategic missle silos and the submariners in the navy's missle subs.

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quote: Most standard treatments for glaucoma are eye drops! Side effects are extremely uncommon. Controlled studies of marijuana use for treatment of glaucoma showed it to be the weakest treatment. I've had many patients with glaucoma. Most of them developed the disease in their 60s. The eye drops available these days rarely fail to control the disease. Very few of them are going to live 20 to 25 years! The proposed use of marijuana to control epilepsy is ludicrous. According to the article the incidental reports date back to the 19th century, at a time when medical researchers had difficulty distinguishing conversions syndromes for the real thing! Do you have any proof that cannabis can be absorbed through the skin? There are lots of things that can be dissolved in oils and still aren't absorbed throught the skin.

Ok, we've established I know little about glaucoma and eppilepsy. The Jesus was probably bollocks, but the fact remains it is a highly effective painkiller for a number of nasty illnesses. Since you appear so well qualified, I'd be curious about your opinion on the medicinal use of cannabis, good Dr.

quote: You think that marijuana is the cure to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the Islamic Jihad? May I remind you that one of the early groups of violent Islamic extremists, the Assassins, used hashish to prepare themselves for battle? Oh heck yes! Let's give all the heavily armed people of the world humongous amounts of a hallucinogen to make them put down their arms. Heck! We should even give it to the airmen who man America's strategic missle silos and the submariners in the navy's missle subs.

Huh?!??!?!? Hey pot is good, but I never said it was gonna bring about world peace!

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I'd say Dr. S has had some bad experiences, judging by his rather violent reaction...

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Maybe he was the victim of some marijuana related child abuse...

legalize it!

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What is wrong with you people? Have you ever seen the tradgedy of a marijuana overdose? If you ever saw a naked OD'd corpse tragically suffocated by inhaling a bag of corn chips from a fit of the munchies, you would all sing a different tune.