08-01-2003 22:09									#61
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The American left are dead in the water, at least for a good while yet.

Unless something goes disastrously wrong (and let's face it, it has to be really bad - voters don't seem to have noticed that the economy is already doing pathetically), Bush will win in 2004.

Hey, ya want a liberal-left government, move to Canada.

	08-01-2003 22:11									#62
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"voters don't seem to have noticed that the economy is already doing pathetically"

No, it's not.

	08-01-2003 22:26									#63
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov You have a strange definition of "a hell of a lot." Bush had more than one term, survived reelection, and was an executive position. That qualifies him as having more experience than Edwards.

But the point was that Bush faced in his campaign opponents who were more experienced than him, and he still won. So obviously experience doesn't necessarily make or break a candidate.

	08-01-2003 22:32									#64
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It's all about money and media manipulation anyway. Talent and qualifications don't matter. Just pick some white male with a pulse, give him $1 billion and slant the news in his favor, and you've got your "Democratic front runner."

	08-01-2003 22:34									#65
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No Democrat will win if they are too timid to challenge and question Bush on every detail of foreign and domestic policy. The next candidate, whoever they may be, has to be an absolute pitbull.

	08-01-2003 23:03									#66
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quote: Originally posted by DetroitDave The next candidate, whoever they may be, has to be an absolute pitbull.

Another Hillary Clinton supporter...

	08-01-2003 23:10									#67
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Dress her up in some S and M regalia, and I think we have ourselves a winner.

	08-01-2003 23:17									#68
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Hillary Clinton -- maybe the most divisive public figure around.
John Kerry -- makes Al Gore seem like Robin Williams.
Howard Dean -- media darling, but can't win New Hampshire with Kerry in the race, so no MO, no money, and no nomination.
John Edwards -- thin resume, nice hair. Maybe in 2008.
Dick Gephardt -- favorite candidate of the unions and Barbra Streisand
Al Sharpton -- makes Jesse Jackson look rational; still needs to explain the Tawana Brawley incident (like that's possible)
Joe Lieberman -- the anti-(Bill) Clinton, but Clinton's not around any more; still probably his nomination to lose.

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	09-01-2003 01:00									#69
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quote: Bush had more than one term, survived reelection, and was an executive position. That qualifies him as having more experience than Edwards.

Exactly. The executive thing helped immensly. If Edwards was the governor of NC, rather than a Senator....

quote: But the point was that Bush faced in his campaign opponents who were more experienced than him, and he still won. So obviously experience doesn't necessarily make or break a candidate.

You are ignoring the point (maybe purposless). Bush won in a landslide during reelection, which made him the darling of the party (if he hadn't done reelection yet, the support for him would be much, much less). Also he ran against Senators and commentators. He was the only executive (other than Lamar Alexander, and he dropped out early). Being a Governor gives your a leg up... also even a SINGLE reelection helps. If Edwards was reelected in 2002, no doubt he'd be the front runner.

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quote: Originally posted by HolyWarrior Three words: Millionaire trial lawyer

What's wrong with that? Were you beaten by a trial lawyer as a kid. Most members of congress are lawyers.

The only people who can get noticed on the national stage are millionaires, unfortunately. We need free and equal TV time for all legitimate candidates and that will level the playing field. All cadidates would have an allotted amount of time for campaign ads.

I don't think Edwards will win the nomination, but he will get noticed and will probably have to face Hillary in 2008.

	09-01-2003 06:25									#71
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley Right now, I really like the NC senator John Edwards. He is a young man full of ideas,

and one of these dyas he might even share one with the rest of the world.

Historically speaking, the Dem's can only win the White House with Southerners, but Kerry, I think, is the liberals and centrists Great White Hope, so look for a Kerry-Edwards ticket in 2004.

	09-01-2003 07:45									#72
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Some thoughts:

Sen Edwards = Sen John Kennedy
Bush II = Bush I
It will be the economy again in 2004
Southern Democrat candidates break the Republican base
Edwards: A Democrat with charisma again! Wow!

Southern Democrat with charisma, double Wow!

and (me) Poly Sci major, as well...

	09-01-2003 07:48									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Everyone seems to forget Howard Dean, which doesn't bode well for his candidacy. But he is the best I have seen so far.

I like him. Were the election today, and between Dean and Bush II, I would vote Dean. And the last Democrat I would have voted for was Truman.

	09-01-2003 07:51									#74
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Dean...

H. Clinton (ahhhh the Clinton presidency was bad, but would be better than Bush until 2008)
Lieberman (the anti-CLinton? I hope so...)
Kerry/Edwards (I honestly have no idea what these guys stand for...)

I think the Dem's lost in 2000 because Al Gore is a bore. IMO, if the Dem's put in anyone else with a pulse, Bush will be gone just like daddy!

	09-01-2003 07:56									#75
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Edwards has made it quite clear...

"I'm running for the Presidency"

there will be no "Kerry-Edwards" ticket, according to him.

	09-01-2003 08:19									#76
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Wooo hooo, I cast yet another vote for Howard Dean! That's six! It's already a landslide!

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quote: Originally posted by orange Edwards has made it quite clear... "I'm running for the Presidency" there will be no "Kerry-Edwards" ticket, according to him.

I agree. Running for the presidency is an all or nothing thing these days. These guys rail on each other so hard during the primaries now that there's no way to reconcile them afterwards.

	09-01-2003 09:24									#78
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quote: Most members of congress are lawyers.

But few are trial lawyers... which have so bad of a reputation even used car dealers probably are viewed in a higher light.

quote: Edwards has made it quite clear... "I'm running for the Presidency" there will be no "Kerry-Edwards" ticket, according to him.

I bet that is what Bush I said when Reagan beat him .

	09-01-2003 10:27									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Most members of congress are lawyers. But few are trial lawyers... which have so bad of a reputation even used car dealers probably are viewed in a higher light. quote: Edwards has made it quite clear... "I'm running for the Presidency" there will be no "Kerry-Edwards" ticket, according to him. I bet that is what Bush I said when Reagan beat him .

As near as I can tell, only republicans hate trial lawyers, because they keep suing their businesses for their misdeeds.

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Sharpton for Dem nominee!

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quote: Originally posted by orange Edwards has made it quite clear... "I'm running for the Presidency" there will be no "Kerry-Edwards" ticket, according to him.

No one starts out running for the vice-presidency. I expect Kerry to get the nomination and then ask Edwards to be his running mate. Kerry is the definate front runner in the race, though if the Democratic electorate actually educates themselves, they may go for Dean, who's actually rather interesting. I'm still predicting Kerry-Edwards to run in 2004, and possibly even beat Shrub.

	10-01-2003 00:07									#82
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Sharpton for Dem nominee!

He needs a rich white guy to balance out the ticket. He has been seen with Micheal Jackson at lot lately... Hmm...

	10-01-2003 00:11									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Static23 He has been seen with Micheal Jackson at lot lately... Hmm...

I think that we have the makings of the ultimate ticket.

	10-01-2003 00:11									#84
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Anybody interested in General Wesley Clark? It's rumored he'll announce a candidacy this month. Of course, I don't think he's even announced a party affiliation yet...

	10-01-2003 00:19									#85
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I think that we have the makings of the ultimate ticket.

It would be a lot more interesting than the Kerry/anybody snorefest is gearing up to be. Of course if MJs nose falls off during a debate, they're toast.

	10-01-2003 00:20									#86
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quote: I think that we have the makings of the ultimate ticket.

I don't know. Is America ready for a female vice-president?

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara and one of these dyas he might even share one with the rest of the world.

From what I have seen, they can't get the guy to shut up, except when it comes to finding out who his favorite philosopher is.

Ideally, who would you like to see as President?

	10-01-2003 01:14									#88
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley Ideally, who would you like to see as President?

Me or some other commie.

	10-01-2003 01:42									#89
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Che!

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I would storm the Democratic HQ if they put Sharpton/M.Jackson on...