08-01-2003 08:50									#1
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Here is a list I have come up with for inactive people.
I am going to ban these people from the team if they do not respond with in 2 weeks of when I send them a pm and/or email.

shadylookin
quantum_mechani
aliatar

this is just bening of list. If you feel someone needs to be added post here. If you think your name has been added in error then post here.

	08-01-2003 09:30									#2
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quantum_mechani was active for a little while. (I think he's also supposed to be an ambassador, so if he is really gone, we need a replacement.) We should give him a little more time, if we plan to eventually ban him at all.

shadylookin posted a few times, but not much; I'd call him inactive.

PloreOSU has been completely inactive, IIRC, and he has no posts. I'd put him on the list.

	08-01-2003 11:10									#3
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Two weeks is plenty of time IMHO.

	08-01-2003 12:19									#4
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i never let PloreOSU in. He has not posting anything in our team forum saying he wanted to join. In fact we have 5 people your added them selves to the civgroup and have not said anything to me. I think one of them is on anther them too. Also if i do ban someone they can still come back. Just they will be baned untill they decided to come back.

	22-01-2003 13:26									#5
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People that are completely inactive, or were active for a while, but didn't see them around for a long time:
(I don't know how many of these were actually let in):

- aliatar
- chairmanmeow
- Darkness' Edge
- JTFreak
- monkspider
- PloreOSU
- shadylookin
- Tom Red
- quantum_mechani

If I put here somebody by mistake or forgot somebody from the list, please feel free to correct me.

There are 23 people listed in Legoland's members list , so that means we have 14 active members.

Jack, can you tell who are those that were never let in, so I can split the list in 2?

I think we should have a list (in one of the official administrative threads) with our active members. We need to know at least their number, to validate polls.

	24-01-2003 11:41									#6
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THis is a list of offical members of the team:

aliatar
Colonel Kraken
Darkness' Edge
delmar
Jack_www
Kloreep
lmtoops
Nimitz
Odin
quantum_mechani
redstar1
rendelnep
shadylookin
Sharpe
Spiffor
Tiberius
vondrack
ZargonX

which is 18 members in all. The other ones joined the civ group but I never let them in, cause they never posted anything in our thread or pm me about it. You can join any team group you want and have the icon, but you not counted to the total members and cant see the private from unless you are let in by leader, me in this case.

	24-01-2003 11:42									#7
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So this is the real list of inactives:
- aliatar
- Darkness' Edge
- shadylookin
- quantum_mechani

I will send the warnings now to them.

	24-01-2003 11:58									#8
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The truth is I didn't see Colonel Kraken or Odin for a long time, but I hope they will return. (they were quite active before).

	26-01-2003 22:50									#9
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aliatar pm me and said that he needs to take a break cause he is busy at work.

	30-01-2003 03:39									#10
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I am sorry about my long absence, but I've been having phone difficulties.

And yes, I am ambassador to Gathering Storm. Infact just before losing my connection I received a PM from DeepO, the Gathering Storm ambassador, about mini-map trading. I will have to ask him if the offer still stands. If it is still available, what is everyone's opinion on accepting it?

	30-01-2003 03:55									#11
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quote: Originally posted by quantum_mechani I am sorry about my long absence, but I've been having phone difficulties. And yes, I am ambassador to Gathering Storm. Infact just before losing my connection I received a PM from DeepO, the Gathering Storm ambassador, about mini-map trading. I will have to ask him if the offer still stands. If it is still available, what is everyone's opinion on accepting it?

qm, the minimaps have already been exchanged with Gathering Storm. DeepO contacted me directly few days later and we agreed upon the exchange.

	30-01-2003 04:30									#12
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Unfortunately I just PMed him about the deal

But thanks anyway.

	30-01-2003 09:42									#13
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We understand if you having problems, just try to tell us so we all know and dont think bad of you.

	01-02-2003 01:23									#14
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Hello everyone,

I'm sorry I've been gone for so long. I've really been busy with other things. I think for now, if you don't mind, I would love to just be an observer for the most part.

I do enjoy reading the Legoland story thread. Perhaps I can make some comments now and again, but I don't know that I will.


Thanks,

Colonel

	02-02-2003 08:32									#15
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Just noticed that 17 instead of 18 are now listed as being in Legoland - looks as though delmar has left our list.

Maybe someone should pm him to see if he is leaving our team or perhaps it could have been an error due to that new "Private Forum" link being beside the "Leave" link.

	02-02-2003 20:01									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Sharpe Just noticed that 17 instead of 18 are now listed as being in Legoland - looks as though delmar has left our list. Maybe someone should pm him to see if he is leaving our team or perhaps it could have been an error due to that new "Private Forum" link being beside the "Leave" link.

Responding to my PM, delmar confirmed he intentionally left our team. He said he did not want to make a big fuss of it.

	02-02-2003 20:16									#17
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quote: Responding to my PM, delmar confirmed he intentionally left our team. He said he did not want to make a big fuss of it.

Ok. Sorry to see him leave.

As much as I hate saying this, I think that we should keep track of the membership lists of the other teams just in case he decides to join another team. (If they would even let in someone new at this point...)

	02-02-2003 23:06									#18
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In couple of days I am going to Ban the following people if they dont say anything to me.
- aliatar
- Darkness' Edge
- shadylookin
So hurry if you dont want to get banned.

	11-02-2003 17:22									#19
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Well, as it is always better to address problems before they emerge, I would like to discuss our future policy regarding inactive and new members. It has been said many times that several of our members are pretty much inactive, not even acknowledging they would be "observing members" only (which was what Colonel Kraken did and which was perfectly fine with me). As these members pose a potential threat to our security, possibly being spies for other teams, I'm not going to tolerate their silence forever.

The following currently authorized members are being PMed today the last time and asked to declare their level of involvement in the game. Unless I hear from them before February 20 (yes, that's correct, I really want to give them a chance), I will ask Jack_www to ban them and if they ever wish to be let in again, they will have to ask me or whoever might replace me as the President to be reauthorized:

aliatar - generally inactive, last post on Poly Dec 1, 2002
Darkness Edge - average activity in ACDG & C2DG, but not in our forum
Odin - very active in OT, but not in our forum
rendelnep - generally inactive, last post on Poly Nov 27, 2002
shadylookin - inactive, last post on Poly Nov 22, 2002


These people showed in our civgroup were never authorized in:

chairmanmeow - active in OT & Civ3-Stories; IMHO, not a valuable asset
JTFreak - 0 posts, out of question
monkspider - active in the OT forum; IMHO, not a valuable asset
PloreOSU - 0 posts, out of question
Tom Red - quite active in the PBEM forum; not sure about

(note, please, that I consider heavy activity in the OT forum coupled with little activity elsewhere as an indication that the person is interested more in talking than in getting jobs done - I do admit it may be unjust at times, but that's how I feel about it)


This would make our team consist of (alphabetically):

Colonel Kraken (observing member)
Jack_www
Kloreep
lmtoops
Nimitz
quantum_mechani
redstar1
Sharpe
Spiffor
Tiberius
vondrack
ZargonX
================
12 members total


Now... IMHO, that is the team we need. We are getting very smoothly along and currently, I can't see any need for new members. Plus, I have two problems with new members:

The first one was easy to notice some time ago when delmar joined. Aside from delmar being sometimes a little bit of pain in the neck (while definitely very knowledgeable Civ3-wise, I admit), we spent quite some time explaining and "defending" our structure, organization, and procedures against his objections and counter-proposals... I am afraid it would be similar with new members generally. Our current members know very well how things work, where to look, how to take part... newbies would require quite an effort to blend in, IMHO. I admit I am not interested in charitable activities (i.e. helping newbies to blend in) very much... I would rather focus on playing the game.

And second, as discussed in a chat with several our members, there is a remote, but real possibility that another team getting eliminated from the game early (GoW looks like a candidate ATM) might try joining our team, eventually overwhelming our founding members, effectively taking over the team. Plus, there would still be a possibility of spies sneaking in...

Thus, here is my suggestion:

Let's publicly announce the Legoland team is now closed and currently accepts no new members. The policy may be changed later, but is unlikely to change for the foreseeable future.

Your opinions? I am not going to post any polls, but would appreciate, if you at least drop a word about what you think about this proposal. Simple "ok" would be enough.

Thanks

	11-02-2003 17:54									#20
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Agree. As long as the majority of the current members will remain active we do not need new members.

Maybe we could accept in the future players from eliminated teams on a case by case basis, but for now I agree with the above policy.

AFAIK Odin is ambassador too, so we'll need to do something about this. At least announce the corresponding team to address their requests to the President or FA.

	11-02-2003 17:58									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius Maybe we could accept in the future players from eliminated teams on a case by case basis, but for now I agree with the above policy.

Yes, I agree with exceptions on case by case basis... my primary intention is to stop attracting new members (IIRC, one of our members still invites new members to join the team in his signature). If there is a determined member of an eliminated team we have no problem with, we can make an exception, allowing him in. My proposal addresses the general, public policy of Legoland.

quote: Originally posted by Tiberius AFAIK Odin is ambassador too, so we'll need to do something about this. At least announce the corresponding team to address their requests to the President or FA.

Nimitz and redstar are already taking of the problem, I believe.

	21-02-2003 11:14									#22
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Sorry about being in active but I don't have a great deal of internet access at the moment and priobably won't until May however I am still interested in Legoland - I just can't get on easily at the moment.

	23-02-2003 16:18									#23
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OK, deadline long gone, time to act...

Jack, ban the following members from Legoland, please:

aliatar
Darkness' Edge
Odin
shadylookin

rendelnep shall be kept as an observing member.

Thanks,
Radek

	23-02-2003 16:56									#24
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Radek, AFAIK the President is the one who has the power to ban. Or is it something that I don't know?

	23-02-2003 17:08									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius Radek, AFAIK the President is the one who has the power to ban. Or is it something that I don't know?

Nope, that power was left to Jack_www. I can moderate the forum, but that's it. I haven't felt any needs to ask Markos to give this power to me, as it is so seldom used.

	24-02-2003 01:10									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius Radek, AFAIK the President is the one who has the power to ban. Or is it something that I don't know?

You know what? It's like what you say...

I was just never told the URL for the ban page...

	18-03-2003 20:01									#27
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Just to let you know, guys.

Spiffor eventually responded to my PM, apologizing for not informing us about "his fading interest in demogames". He said we should elect a new Enlightened - he considers coming back one day, but probably only in several months.