08-01-2003 12:34									#1
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Would it be possible to set the ALT text on the civgroup image icons so we can see what, exactly, the group is when we put the mouse over it?

I see lots of silly looking icons and I haven't a clue what they mean.

What's more, when I click on the icon to see what it is, the member listing doesn't say the group name anywhere?

Am I the only one who has noticed this?

PS: The CivGroups column on a CivGroup member listing is broken, all it shows is the current CivGroup icon you're viewing for all the people, it doesn't show other groups they're in.

	08-01-2003 12:39									#2
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well, i'll explain the ones i'm using for you

1.Civ2 Democracy Game (hopefully you know what a democracy game is)
2.Civ2 PBEM =Civ 2 Play by email multiplayer
3.Ctp2 Democracy Game, same as the Civ2 demo game, only with Call to Power 2
4.Nation States, this one is harder to explain. There's a simulation on another website where you lead a nation and get presented with domestic issues, (how to spend your budget, religous issues, people wanting to walk around nude) and the solutions to each dillema reflect on your nation's form of government. the game gives a measure of your political freedoms, economy and civil rights. We role play as the leaders of the nations we lead, making trade agreements, having disputes solved by an elected court, etc, etc.

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	08-01-2003 12:46									#3
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Try this one:
http://apolyton.net/forums/civgroups.php

top right hand side of the screen

	08-01-2003 12:49									#4
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Still, it's a really stupid design IMO.

It's like something a Linux guru would do when designing a UI. "Don't know what it is? RTFM yarr!"

	08-01-2003 15:17									#5
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I'd agree - they puzzle me too.

	08-01-2003 15:30									#6
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Seeing what it is when you put the mouse over the icon sounds useful.

	08-01-2003 15:44									#7
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Asher, learn to ask for people to do stuff in a nice way....

	08-01-2003 15:49									#8
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Well his first post was polite.

	08-01-2003 16:20									#9
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then he should learn to stay nice at least until he gets a response

	08-01-2003 21:36									#10
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It's a good suggestion, Mark. I agree that Glonk can be annoying as all computer geeks can be. Especially when it takes them so long to think about things from a user (non-technical) perspective. For instance, I can still find several easily fixed problems in Word, IE, etc. in terms of user usage.

	08-01-2003 21:54									#11
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What's this? My sensors are picking up increased signs of an impending argument...

	08-01-2003 23:11									#12
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yeah, GP's good for those

	09-01-2003 02:41									#13
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG Asher, learn to ask for people to do stuff in a nice way....

It wouldn't kill me if you didn't do it, Mark. I don't belong to any CivGroups and don't think I ever will, I'm just giving input on something incase you care about improving your site.

	09-01-2003 02:42									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Still, it's a really stupid design IMO. It's like something a Linux guru would do when designing a UI. "Don't know what it is? RTFM yarr!"

too true.

thats oen of the major things that keeps me in the dark about linux. the UI's usually suck major.

::shudders at the gimp::

	09-01-2003 02:48									#15
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quote: Originally posted by GP It's a good suggestion, Mark. I agree that Glonk can be annoying as all computer geeks can be. Especially when it takes them so long to think about things from a user (non-technical) perspective. For instance, I can still find several easily fixed problems in Word, IE, etc. in terms of user usage.

I've never had a problem looking at things from a user's perspective...that's why I still insist Windows is leaps and bounds ahead of Linux on the desktop, because the Linux GUIs are all inconsistent kludgey assy things that don't make much sense to anyone but a CS major.

There are lots of things in Windows I wish I could change too, but it's still better than Linux.

	09-01-2003 02:53									#16
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My thoughts exactly on all your points (in this thread) Asher.

	09-01-2003 03:10									#17
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How did we go from civgroups to win <----> linux ?

(again )

	09-01-2003 03:21									#18
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Do you have to ask?

	09-01-2003 04:00									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Do you have to ask?

If he wants to get [+1] he does, yes.

	09-01-2003 04:57									#20
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quote: It wouldn't kill me if you didn't do it, Mark. I don't belong to any CivGroups and don't think I ever will, I'm just giving input on something incase you care about improving your site.

would it kill you to give input without being "smart" about it?

quote: The CivGroups column on a CivGroup member listing is broken, all it shows is the current CivGroup icon you're viewing for all the people, it doesn't show other groups they're in.

not a bug, a feature, in replacement of not showing the name of the cigroup in a big title(which would need a bit more time/work )

quote: Would it be possible to set the ALT text on the civgroup image icons so we can see what, exactly, the group is when we put the mouse over it?

added in my civgroups to-do list

now if anyone has any other civgroups suggestions(and yes, all the ptwdg related stuff are still veyr high on my list), i'll leave this thread open.....

	09-01-2003 05:01									#21
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG (and yes, all the ptwdg related stuff are still veyr high on my list)

Thanks.

Glad you haven't forgotten us. Actually the edit post bug is quite nice. It's helpful for each minister to edit a single post, rather than spreading the instructions out over one thread.

Is there any chance we can keep the ability to edit everybody's posts in the private demogame forums? Since all members are there with the leader's approval and can be kicked if they misbehave I think we can police this feature ourselves.

The ability to attach images is really getting kinda important now, though.

	09-01-2003 05:03									#22
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quote: all the ptwdg related stuff are still veyr high on my list

that is very good news

(no need to take the editing 'feature' though, it's kinda handy when not misused, hasn't happened so far)

	09-01-2003 05:08									#23
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quote: Is there any chance we can keep the ability to edit everybody's posts in the private demogame forums?

that's really up to you, as this is affecting only the dg private forums

feel free to make a poll about it....

	09-01-2003 05:19									#24
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Done.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=73399

	09-01-2003 06:40									#25
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Would it be possible to set the ALT text on the civgroup image icons so we can see what, exactly, the group is when we put the mouse over it?

NO, set the TITLE text. That way it will work in Opera/Mozilla and not in MSIE.

	09-01-2003 07:22									#26
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG would it kill you to give input without being "smart" about it?

You mean like:
"The ehhhh uhh yeah well it's not working right, fix it"?

quote: NO, set the TITLE text. That way it will work in Opera/Mozilla and not in MSIE.

ALT has been around longer than TITLE, Mozilla and Opera can suck it...

	09-01-2003 08:50									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I've never had a problem looking at things from a user's perspective...that's why I still insist Windows is leaps and bounds ahead of Linux on the desktop, because the Linux GUIs are all inconsistent kludgey assy things that don't make much sense to anyone but a CS major. There are lots of things in Windows I wish I could change too, but it's still better than Linux.

Oh...absolutely. I don't really even judge the two together. I just look at Windows independently versus what it could be.

	10-01-2003 14:47									#28
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Maybe GP should change his title to Troll?

	10-01-2003 18:38									#29
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quote: ALT has been around longer than TITLE, Mozilla and Opera can suck it...

I can see now what Markos meant...

	10-01-2003 20:44									#30
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ACUALLY, I like those littel "stupid" designs.

The ALT thing is definately a good idea.
I can usually desifer a civgroup with letters like ACPBEM, but the shield ones, like that for nationstates, I think a very cool (especially mine! ). It gives an air of "secret society" exclusivness where we, the decieved, can continue to decieve ourselves with our importance!

And a bunch of funky colored thingies together looks like a rack of medals on a military uniform of a well seasoned general. But ofcourse my imagination is on crack. Big fat bags of crack.