08-01-2003 21:24									#1
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Have a look at this screenshot, apparently ive sailed around the world and gained the feat for it, but look at the minimap you can see i havent sailed all way around.

Its a gigantic doughnut map on the default unmodded game and i havent sailed around it vertically either. You can see which unit i got the feat with and you can see where it sailed to and from.

Maybe its just that i sailed and uncovered so much unexplored terrain with the same unit that it gave me the feat? Or that i almost sailed around the world vertically?

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	08-01-2003 22:18									#2
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IIRC it just checks if you visited all x-coords at least once, or something like that. Since those coords are layed out along a diagonal rather than horizontal axis, you don't actually have to travel all the way around the world to get the feat. If you travel in a straight line, you have to go all around the world, if you go in diagonal line at a right angle to the x-axis, you only have to travel about 50% of the map, I think (not quite sure though - too lazy to do the math now ).

I admit though that I haven't often seen such a skewed situation as this one... Maybe the doughnut thingie is screwing things up as well? It counts either x or y coords on such maps?

	08-01-2003 23:34									#3
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i dont get it......

	08-01-2003 23:50									#4
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Well I got this feat once I was playing the Seven Samurai scenario. IIRC this scenario plays on a flat map, x and y warp should be turned of. At least I never crossed the borders of this map.

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	09-01-2003 00:31									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus IIRC it just checks if you visited all x-coords at least once, or something like that.

Does that come from official sources then? It could become something to really aim for if its that easy.

quote: I admit though that I haven't often seen such a skewed situation as this one... Maybe the doughnut thingie is screwing things up as well? It counts either x or y coords on such maps?

If the above statement is true then its very likely. More testing is required...

	09-01-2003 01:49									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Does that come from official sources then? It could become something to really aim for if its that easy.

No, but the issue came up once or twice before and some tests were done by me and/or others at the time. Not very thorough tests, but I IIRC my earlier explanation was our conclusion.

	09-01-2003 03:10									#7
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Refresh my memory, can this feat be achieved by using two ships which sail half the world each?

	09-01-2003 04:04									#8
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quote: Originally posted by TheArsenal Refresh my memory, can this feat be achieved by using two ships which sail half the world each?

that would be nice

	09-01-2003 19:10									#9
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Two ships? I don't think so. I once tried doing that, but only one of my ships managed to do it, and it had to circumnavigate the world.

	09-01-2003 19:53									#10
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I confirm that this has nothing to do with donuts, as I got it on a standard map.
I also think you need a single ship to do it because I once sailed with various ships all arounf the globe and got no feat for it.

	09-01-2003 20:15									#11
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Yeah the coracle that got the feat on the screenshot sailed all the way from the bottom of my home island at the bottom of the minimap. I always seem to get this feat inadvertently and the theaters one too.

	09-01-2003 20:16									#12
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Any chance you could post the savegame Maq? (Or you, LDiCesare?)

	09-01-2003 20:30									#13
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Found it.

BTW i started it in LAN mode so it would start quicker with more settlers.

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	09-01-2003 20:35									#14
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What mod did you use?

	09-01-2003 20:50									#15
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Gah ate my post 3 times

Its unmodded game.

	10-01-2003 07:27									#16
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quote: Originally posted by TheArsenal Refresh my memory, can this feat be achieved by using two ships which sail half the world each?

I am sure this is not the case with the Super Apolyton Pack 2 as I wondered if it were possible in the last game I have played a few days ago. Two longships sailed in opposite directions and when they crossed each other paths at the other end of the map I was not given the feat. I thought it had already been awarded to an AI civilization but I earned it later when my ships pushed their exploration further away in different parts of the map.

	11-01-2003 00:00									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin I am sure this is not the case with the Super Apolyton Pack 2 as I wondered if it were possible in the last game I have played a few days ago. Two longships sailed in opposite directions and when they crossed each other paths at the other end of the map I was not given the feat. I thought it had already been awarded to an AI civilization but I earned it later when my ships pushed their exploration further away in different parts of the map.

Thanks. This is one feat I never tracked carefully. I generally push several early exploration ships out at once in various directions and always seem to be taken by surprise when I am told I achieved this feat.

	11-01-2003 04:27									#18
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quote: Originally posted by TheArsenal Thanks. This is one feat I never tracked carefully. I generally push several early exploration ships out at once in various directions and always seem to be taken by surprise when I am told I achieved this feat.

This is a feat I don't try to rush at as the AI civs are not trying to achieve it in the earlier part of the game, if they are interested in it at all (that I don't know). When I have two ships which are of no use elsewhere I sail around the world.

	13-01-2003 03:37									#19
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Here's a slightly more graphical demonstration of what Locutus was saying. The thick white line is a line of constant x, and you can see that you went from that line all the way back to it, thus you went round the world. (x might actually be decreasing, rather than increasing where it says...)

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	13-01-2003 05:14									#20
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oh i see what u mean now
now we can all expliot it

	13-01-2003 05:34									#21
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quote: Originally posted by HuangShang oh i see what u mean now now we can all expliot it

All in all you will only gain a few squares, I don't think it is worth bothering about it.

	13-01-2003 15:44									#22
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Yeah, J Bytheway is correct, that's exactly what I meant (the direction is right as well). And yes, Maq started out at x-coord 20 and when he got the feat he was at x-coord 21 and he had crossed all other x-coords...

Tamerlin,
Actually, if you take the route that the arrow on J's map indicates (in an angle of 90 degrees to the x-axis), you only have to travel ~half the map (more precisely: 1/2 * sqrt(mapwidth^2+mapheight^2)), so you could safe a bit more than 'a few' squares.

	13-01-2003 16:38									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Tamerlin, Actually, if you take the route that the arrow on J's map indicates (in an angle of 90 degrees to the x-axis), you only have to travel ~half the map (more precisely: 1/2 * sqrt(mapwidth^2+mapheight^2)), so you could safe a bit more than 'a few' squares.

I think I have missed something in an earlier post and thus I did not understood it like that, it becomes a kind of bug that can be exploited then.

	13-01-2003 17:36									#24
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Because of the way the squares work travelling along the arrow will take the same number of moves as travelling horizontally or vertically, though.

	13-01-2003 18:14									#25
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway Because of the way the squares work travelling along the arrow will take the same number of moves as travelling horizontally or vertically, though.

So this is a matter of distance travelled and not of number of squares.

	13-01-2003 23:56									#26
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We are all forgetting about the map geography, aren't we?

	14-01-2003 00:28									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Alexnm We are all forgetting about the map geography, aren't we?

It seems this flaw is not linked to the configuration of the map choosen by the player. I remember having been awarded this feat when I had not sailed through the whole map and I am always playing with the SAP2 and normal maps.

	14-01-2003 03:14									#28
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway Because of the way the squares work travelling along the arrow will take the same number of moves as travelling horizontally or vertically, though.

D'oh, you're right... What was i thinking...

Well, at least this bug can't be exploited then, even though it still doesn't really make sense geographically...