09-01-2003 02:20									#1
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After I've made a bundle techwhoring, I cut off all luxuries. This is often the time I build embassies, and I often see entainers in their capitols, and construction of cathedrals etc. Also since not all civs can sell a particular luxury, it becomes possible to restrict sales, unlike techs. When I've spent all my money, I just go for a new round of techwhoring.


I then only sell luxuries to those civs I want to prop up and always offer them during military alliances. As for resources, I sell them to those based on balance of power concerns - the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

	09-01-2003 02:32									#2
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IMHO, we should continue to sell luxaries, but only at a fair price.

As for resources: We should not sell any more Rubber except for balance of power concerns. Oil & Alluminum will be in the same category when we discover them.

As for Uraninum, we should never sell any at any price.

	09-01-2003 18:25									#3
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We are rapidly approaching the point where we no longer have to sell luxuries in order to fund our infrastructure rush builds and military upgrades. Infact we will most likely reach that point before any current lux deals come up for re-negotiation. In personal games, when the aforesaid state of nirvana is achieved, I become extremely selective in both the who and how much areas for future lux sales.

And also, to remind others of another issue from yesterturn, this is where I become willing to yield the embargo WMD.

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	09-01-2003 19:09									#4
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I have a different opinion on this matter.
Currently, I see no threats to us anywhere in the world, except perhaps Greece and Rome. We can exclude these two nations from luxury deals, but with regard to other nations, I think we should continue to sell them techs.
The rational behind this is that we have no interest to see the other economies of the world break down. The world's economies are feeding us with gpt for our techs and luxuries. If we deny them important luxuries, this will hamper their economy and they will produce less commerce, the end result of which is that they will have less to pay us.

Of course, strategic resources are wholly different and we should refrain from selling them. In any case, our techs, maps and some luxuries will be plenty enough to drain the world's piggy banks.

	09-01-2003 21:19									#5
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The value of luxaries also increases as population increases. In the modern era, it's not unheard of for fair value of a luxary to be over 30 GPT.

	09-01-2003 21:29									#6
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Not selling luxuries is only logical :
We suck all our neighbours' money by selling them techs, so they don't have any money left for luxuries. If we sell them luxuries, it will only reduce the amount of money we can sell techs to them. In the end, we get as much money by selling techs or by selling luxuries + techs (did I get this right ?)

However, I am in favor of keeping selling luxuries :
The more you trade with other Civs, the less prone they are to declare war or embargo to you. This can be of importance when buying strategic resources (I whoelheartedly agree with Shiber on selling resources).

It appears most of our citizens want to have peace until tanks are around, and some (like me, but I'm not the only one) want peace for a longer period, or maybe until the end of the game. Keeping good relationship with our neighbours until we are warring again will be important, and trading luxuries will help.

	09-01-2003 22:02									#7
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Spiffor, what I do when the AI can't afford both luxaries & techs is stop selling techs and keep selling the luxaries.

The price of tech is also highly dependant on how many people have it. I've often seen situations where only 1 AI could afford full price as the first to be sold to, but an additional AI could afford the fair price as the 2nd to receive this tech, and the remaining AIs could all afford the fair price as the 3rd+ AI to receive this tech.

	10-01-2003 00:28									#8
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Spiffor, what I do when the AI can't afford both luxaries & techs is stop selling techs and keep selling the luxaries. The price of tech is also highly dependant on how many people have it. I've often seen situations where only 1 AI could afford full price as the first to be sold to, but an additional AI could afford the fair price as the 2nd to receive this tech, and the remaining AIs could all afford the fair price as the 3rd+ AI to receive this tech.

It seems that the AI may only try to sell a tech once or twice, then if the other AI can't afford it, it gives up. If I run low on money, I try to sell the tech again.

	10-01-2003 00:44									#9
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For tech selling, I:

1. Save the game.

2. For each AI still in the game, write down how much they'll pay for each tech they need as well as how much they are possibiliy willing to pay for anything. I also note if they have any techs I don't.

3. Decide if I'll sell the tech for that price.

4. Reload the save.

5. If selling, sell in order of high price to low price until no AI left can afford the fair price.

I also play on Tiny maps, so the above process doesn't take nearly as long as it would on bigger maps.

	10-01-2003 02:43									#10
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hi ,

we should continue to do so but only at a certain price , they shall have to pay more

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	10-01-2003 03:06									#11
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Yes, they should pay full, fair market value, and not merely 1 gold less than "Can't be Done".

	10-01-2003 08:26									#12
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As it has been said before, luxury would be a great way to prevent neighboring nation to wage war on us. Thats a great benefit, even if we were to give it to them for free.

	10-01-2003 08:32									#13
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I trade my luxuries to everyone and pull them right before I attack. That way their cities go into chaos the first turns of the war.

	11-01-2003 01:00									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II As it has been said before, luxury would be a great way to prevent neighboring nation to wage war on us. Thats a great benefit, even if we were to give it to them for free.

hi ,

, never , what are they going to do , coming and taking it by force , ....

nah , we should give them nothing if they cant pay for it , .....

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