10-01-2003 00:19									#31
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quote: You just stopped a possible car jacking, you've got these people out on the highway, cars whizzing by, it's just you and your partner, and there are these dogs. You can't deal with the dogs because you've got to deal with the people, and now this dog is approaching. You have only a split second to make a decision, and the wrong one might cost you your life. Dog dies.

No, the proper action was for them to be reasonable, and shut the car door as the family suggested so that the dogs wouldn't escape. If it was a matter of not having enough personnel to handle dogs, they could simply have called more police out there, and had those people restrain the dogs.

quote: more dead innocents, more dead police

I DO like how you separate inncoent people from the police - at least you recognize that more often than not, police are not innocent.

	10-01-2003 01:35									#32
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If you can't control the situation, you shouldn't be a cop.

Proper thing to do was get the people out of the cars, in sight, hands up, close the doors as was asked, and keep the three suspects in control at gunpoint until adequate backup arrived from the state highway patrol and other police/sheriffs.

No need to cuff the three, no need to search them, just get them on their knees, hands up, and in sight until you had enough backup to secure the situation.

	10-01-2003 01:54									#33
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MtG - I didn't ask if you would do it, but rather, if it would be legitimate

	10-01-2003 02:10									#34
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quote: Someone deliberately kills my dawg for no good reason, they'll be meeting their maker, yes, if at all feasible. Dawgs are kin.

I have a dog MtG. I LOVE him. I wouldn't kill the guy. I'd simply bash the **** out of him.

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The police in this case are idiots. But how would resisting the police make things better?

	10-01-2003 02:41									#35
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quote: The police in this case are idiots. But how would resisting the police make things better?

*shrug* How does resisting any other armed criminal make things better? You could die, after all.

The point is, sometimes it's stupid to resist armed criminals, and sometimes it isn't. You should look at each situation and decide for yourself if you want to exercise your right to resist.

	10-01-2003 03:30									#36
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quote: [SIZE=1] I blame Ronnie Reagan for starting the process of militarizing the police to combat "drugs".

The paramilitarization of the the police and government agencies actually started in the 60s when the first SWAT team was created (Los Angeles, 1965?). All Reagan did was speed up the process by making sure they got all the free military hardware they needed.

	10-01-2003 03:34									#37
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It wasn't the cops fault that a false report was called in. Bear in mind that these days cops often patrol alone, so he may have been one guy trying to control three people who hadn't the slightest idea what was going on. Since carjackers are often armed and may have a great deal to loose if they're caught he was right to approach them armed and with great caution. It would have been more appropriate to have headed the people's warning about keeping the dog in the car, then put the people in a position where he could control them while he radioed for backup. Maybe he didn't have an opportunity to do that. The people may not have had the common sense to show the officer that they were being obedient, they may have become agitated at the thought of the dogs getting loose, forcing the officer to concentrate on getting them under control. The dog got out, it wandered around, it may have been approachin the officer.

	10-01-2003 04:55									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove It wasn't the cops fault that a false report was called in. Bear in mind that these days cops often patrol alone, so he may have been one guy trying to control three people who hadn't the slightest idea what was going on.

Yeah, it's very rough out there right now. I live in St. Louis, America, and there has been a marked increase in the number of cop shootings here. Lone cops doing traffic stops are getting gunned down.

	10-01-2003 07:57									#39
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Static -

quote: The paramilitarization of the the police and government agencies actually started in the 60s when the first SWAT team was created (Los Angeles, 1965?). All Reagan did was speed up the process by making sure they got all the free military hardware they needed.

True, was Reagan governor of California then?

	10-01-2003 08:19									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Static - True, was Reagan governor of California then?

Reagan wasn't directly involved in this while he was governor.



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	10-01-2003 09:49									#41
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Yeah, that cop with a 12 guage is jes' gon' sit there and say "Shore thang, Mister Liberterarium, sir, you pull that gun on me and force me to put my shotgun down rather than blow yore sorry stupid ass straight away to hell, 'cause its yore nacheral right to resist the po-lice."

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	10-01-2003 10:42									#42
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They actually have the video from the squad car out now, and I saw it on the news tonight. No chance whatsoever that the police could be excused for what they did. It looks even more blatantly wrong than how it reads in text.

If I were on the jury for that trial (I really hope there's one), I'd be in favor of damages in the millions simply to send a message that you NEED TO EXERCISE SOME FREAKIN' COMMON SENSE WHEN YOU ARE IN THAT KIND OF POSITION.