10-01-2003 09:23									#1
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Hans Blix has said that Iraq violated UN sanctions by importing illegal missile engines and not cooperating with UN inspectors wanting to meet with Iraqi scientists.

Is this the justification the US needs to depose Saddam?

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	10-01-2003 09:36									#4
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	10-01-2003 09:39									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Is this the justification the US needs to depose Saddam?

I was unaware that the US felt it needed any further justification. They've been spouting off for a while that Iraq has been defying the UN for 11 years, so why would they care about anything that happens now?

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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki I was unaware that the US felt it needed any further justification. They've been spouting off for a while that Iraq has been defying the UN for 11 years, so why would they care about anything that happens now?

It's always nice to be proven right. I'm sure international backing will be appreciated as well.

	10-01-2003 09:44									#8
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Did the US need any justification in the first place?

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i'd like to see this settled peacefully or with UN backing.

	10-01-2003 09:49									#10
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My condolances to the people of Iraq

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten It's always nice to be proven right. I'm sure international backing will be appreciated as well.

I don't think many people doubted that Iraq was violating UN resolutions. I think it more that those violations aren't necessarily seen as being sufficient to cause a massive invasion. Look at how many other countries have violated UN resolutions.

	10-01-2003 10:00									#12
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quote: I don't think many people doubted that Iraq was violating UN resolutions. I think it more that those violations aren't necessarily seen as being sufficient to cause a massive invasion. Look at how many other countries have violated UN resolutions.

If everybody already knew that Iraq was violating UN sanctions, then what was the point of the inspectors?

The inspectors were sent back in because many people and states claimed that Iraq had not violated the UN sanctions. They have now been proven wrong, which is important for American hopes for UN backing of regime change in Iraq. The US wants a Security Resolution authorizing force and proof of Iraqi violations of UN sanctions will help the US get that.

	10-01-2003 10:03									#13
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I think Saddam will end up giving in at the end and cooperating with the UN inspectors. I don't think he will risk a war that could let him be deposed.

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There's a rumor floating about that Saddam may go into exile in Algeria with his two sons, but I haven't seen any real proof of this.

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I think Saddam would prefer living in luxury as the ruler of Iraq though. It just doesn't make sense for him to risk war. And I don't see why Algeria would want to make itself an international pariah.

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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi I think Saddam would prefer living in luxury as the ruler of Iraq though. It just doesn't make sense for him to risk war. And I don't see why Algeria would want to make itself an international pariah.

I think the plan is for Saddam to step down and go the Algeria to avoid a war, in which he would probably die or be put on trial for war crimes. Algeria wouldn't be a pariah since the US would be the one brokering the deal.

	10-01-2003 10:27									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: I don't think many people doubted that Iraq was violating UN resolutions. I think it more that those violations aren't necessarily seen as being sufficient to cause a massive invasion. Look at how many other countries have violated UN resolutions. If everybody already knew that Iraq was violating UN sanctions, then what was the point of the inspectors? The inspectors were sent back in because many people and states claimed that Iraq had not violated the UN sanctions. They have now been proven wrong, which is important for American hopes for UN backing of regime change in Iraq. The US wants a Security Resolution authorizing force and proof of Iraqi violations of UN sanctions will help the US get that.

I think its a matter of to what extent people think Iraq is violating the resolutions. The terms of the cease fire included other things other than WMDs, and other resolutions wholly unrelated have also been passed. It is the WMD issue that the inspectors are involved in, and what the US and others have been using to whip up fear of Iraq. However, there have been other resolutions which have been violated (take a look at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2246037.stm for example). The US has also made clear (not incorrectly, mind you) that Iraq has been violating these which is grounds for war. You may also want to take a look at this http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/i...cade/sect2.html

So, basically, the real hot button for other states seems to be the WMD issue, even though other resolutions are in place and being ignored.

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quote: I don't think many people doubted that Iraq was violating UN resolutions. I think it more that those violations aren't necessarily seen as being sufficient to cause a massive invasion. Look at how many other countries have violated UN resolutions.

No prizes for guessing who has violated most UN resolutions... the US and Israel.

quote: I think the plan is for Saddam to step down and go the Algeria to avoid a war, in which he would probably die or be put on trial for war crimes. Algeria wouldn't be a pariah since the US would be the one brokering the deal.

The idea is to get Saddam to 'honourably' bow out, leaving a clear path for a CIA/US sponsored leader. The US has no interest in trying him for war crimes, there is no profit in it.
Trouble is Saddam is too proud and too in love with himself to quit. Him buggering off to Algeria would be an ideal solution for everyone.

	10-01-2003 11:25									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Graag No prizes for guessing who has violated most UN resolutions... the US and Israel.

How many were legally binding?

And no prizes for guess which country was related to 45% of the UN General Assembly roll call votes of 2001 - because the Israeli-Palestinian situation represents 45% of all of the problems in the world.

	10-01-2003 11:51									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Graag My condolances to the people of Iraq

I've heard talk of a peaceful surrender. There are Arabs and others who are urging Saddam to resign and seek asylum elsewhere.

	10-01-2003 11:52									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I've heard talk of a peaceful surrender. There are Arabs and others who are urging Saddam to resign and seek asylum elsewhere.

i've heard it too, but i don't believe it.

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quote: There are Arabs and others who are urging Saddam to resign and seek asylum elsewhere.

Somehow, I just don't see Saddam as the resigning type.

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quote: Originally posted by Edan Somehow, I just don't see Saddam as the resigning type.

he's definately more of a "go down in a genocidal burst of chemical weaponry" kind of guy.

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I wish they'd just get on with it. Enough talk, let's fight.

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quote: Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba I wish they'd just get on with it. Enough talk, let's fight.

it's propaganda and such. remember what germany did before they attacked france?