10-01-2003 10:25									#1
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I have a set up where random IP's are selected when I log on. Are there a small number of IP's that cycle through when I log on so that one day I may have one number and a different number the next time, but where I can be logging on with the same IP on different occasions? If I log on with IP "A", and the next time with IP "B", can "A" come up again in the future?

Furthermore, if I log on with IP "A" and don't log on for a few weeks, is it possible someone else with random IP's can get IP "A" or is there a set of IP's reserved for every user?

	10-01-2003 10:34									#2
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AFAIK it depends on the internet service you're using -- most services with dynamic IPs have a set number available, so there's a chance that you'll eventually get the same IP. If you're using an IP masking program then it's probably the same deal, since most masking programs either go through a proxy server (that has a finite number of IPs available) or else they just add a mask to your IP (which IIRC isn't a very effective way of disguising it).

WRT the second question, it's possible that somebody using the same ISP or proxy server will wind up with an IP that you previously used, since there're only a finite number available.

I'm not sure how many IPs the typical ISP or proxy server uses.

	10-01-2003 10:43									#3
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Thx, is there a way to mask IP's? And if the IP is issued by my ISP, can others using that ISP get an IP I've used in the past?

	10-01-2003 10:44									#4
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Oops, you answered the second question.

	10-01-2003 10:47									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Thx, is there a way to mask IP's? And if the IP is issued by my ISP, can others using that ISP get an IP I've used in the past?

others can get your old ip. your ISP has a set # of ip's it can give out. for example, my ISP has the 24.184.XXX.XXX ip's.

usually yuor ISP will have a similair domain. they are assigned to people randomly as they log on. anyone could have anyones past ip.

and what are you talking about when you refer to masking? there is software that acts as a proxy, where websites and such see an ip thats not yours (www.multiproxy.org useful for creating dl's ) and there are services for getting a domain name to point to whatever ip you have at the moment (www.dns2go.com).

	10-01-2003 10:47									#6
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Berz,

You can surf the net without them seeing your IP address by using an anonymous proxy server. Some of them can be hard to setup but there are some software packages that you can download that will mask your IP.

And yes someone else can get an IP that you have used in the past.

	10-01-2003 10:48									#7
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I see Uber already answered that.

	10-01-2003 11:02									#8
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Thx Ted and Uber, I was banned from a political site for disrupting the board (no way, not me), hehe, and I'm trying to figure out how to re-register undetected. I deleted my cookies and went back but the site manager said I had the same IP as my prior incarnation.

I'm behind a firewall and going thru a proxy, would that effect any "masking" software?

	10-01-2003 11:13									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Thx Ted and Uber, I was banned from a political site for disrupting the board (no way, not me), hehe, and I'm trying to figure out how to re-register undetected. I deleted my cookies and went back but the site manager said I had the same IP as my prior incarnation. I'm behind a firewall and going thru a proxy, would that effect any "masking" software?

yes. whatever proxy you are using may have a static ip. go to http://www.multiproxy.org/env_check.htm to see your ip as it appears to webservers.

	10-01-2003 11:16									#10
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Hmmm...it "might."

Where is the proxy? Is it the ISP's proxy or is it one that you setup?

What I'm thinking is that instead of using the current proxy you are using, that you would then switch to one of the anonymous proxies instead.

There are some anonymous pay services out there that are pretty good. The free ones I've seen are pretty hard to setup or they don't offer very good service.

	10-01-2003 11:17									#11
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Also what Uber said. If it's your ISP's proxy, it will definitley have it's own IP address. That never changes.

	10-01-2003 11:22									#12
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Okay, the checker at multiproxy lists a different IP from the one the political site's manager said I have, but I'm not sure how to read the analysis. Hell, I don't even know where to click on my computer to find what IP I have.

	10-01-2003 11:23									#13
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What OS are you using?

If it's newer than Windows 95, go to the command line and type: ipconfig /all

	10-01-2003 11:28									#14
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Windows ME, thx.

	10-01-2003 11:36									#15
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Umm...where is this command line?

	10-01-2003 11:42									#16
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start > run > command

	10-01-2003 12:29									#17
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Thx, the IP address doesn't match the one the site manager claimed I have. Maybe they just suspect me of being a DL and can't prove it via IP's.

But I do recognise the IP I get from the command line, so is it possible we have a static IP for the proxy and random IP's when logging on? I don't want to bother y'all with my problem too much , the site was just a small conservative forum that doesn't like "Christians" being criticised, so it's not a big loss.

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	10-01-2003 12:29									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker I deleted my cookies and went back but the site manager said I had the same IP as my prior incarnation.

That's silly, just because they have the same IP doesn't mean they are the same person. On the other hand, the same person can have different IP's.

	10-01-2003 12:43									#19
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The only thing I can think of is that there is a set of IP's issued to me or my server and they found me posting under one or more of the IP's under both identities. I'm a little hesitant to try masking software since I'm going thru a proxy that probably has to be modified and if I screw up and lose internet access I'll never figure out how to fix it.

	10-01-2003 12:49									#20
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All I can say is it's good Apolyton is more lenient about offensive posts. I've had heated debates in the past with the clown who banned me, but I was away from the site for a while and went back and got into it with them again, but they had become a moderator in the interim and used their new found power to get me back.

	10-01-2003 12:53									#21
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UR - when I was originally banned, I went back and re-registered, but could not post. I deleted my cookies in case they identified a cookie they installed in my system and rebooted to get a different IP and was able to register and post.

	10-01-2003 14:24									#22
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Bezerker, use the public library?

	10-01-2003 17:27									#23
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link to the site please?
or even better link to the thread that got you banned

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	11-01-2003 05:43									#25
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Why do all US-righty forums use the same old BB software? Its crap.

Must be a tradition or old charter or something...

	11-01-2003 06:30									#26
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Well, good news, the moderator lifted the ban. I guess the dynamic IP's make it impossible for them to know if it's me or someone else.

	11-01-2003 08:16									#27
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Oh, well I was going to say, that, if you are going through a proxy server, they are going to record THAT address (the address of the proxy server) instead of your own. Pretty much every single site you will go to is going to see the proxy server address. That proxy server address never changes.