14-01-2003 00:01									#61
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Oh I see you obviously have no clue about BC politics of late.

Massive tax cuts to the weathy "investor class" while making drastic cuts to everything particularly social programs like books for the blind and bus passes for seniors..Relaxing of enviromental controls.This guy wants to start using coal to power industry again!!.Massive privitization initiatives.Doing it in a sneaky way as well.I could go on for a long time but you get the picture..

Campbell himself has admitted to 3 martinis and 3 wine with dinner.Again your facts are inaccurate.He is the one who set the standard so high with his calls for resignations.He shall be held to his own standards.

	14-01-2003 00:02									#62
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quote: Oh I see you obviously have no clue about BC politics of late.

Just because he has some right wing economic ideas doesn't mean he's "identical to Bush", comprenede?

quote: Campbell himself has admitted to 3 martinis and 3 wine with dinner.Again your facts are inaccurate.He is the one who set the standard so high with his calls for resignations.He shall be held to his own standards.

What can I say?
He's a ****ing moron, as with every politician from BC I've ever heard of.

I still don't think a DUI charge should warrant resignation. If the people don't like it, they can just not vote for him or his party when the next election comes along.

	14-01-2003 00:05									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I never said it wasn't a serious criminal offense, I mean it's not one that affects his ability to lead the province. I'm not wrong, it's an opinion.

You equated traffic offenses with a criminal offense of drunk driving. No one would call for a cabinet minister's resignation over a speeding ticket. Witness Flyin' Phil Galardi.

In addition, opinions can be wrong.

This is hugely damaging to the Liberals as well as the province. Even if you support the Libs agenda, it would be dubious to continue to support Campbell because with a massive majority and only two opposition members Campbell himself is now the biggest obstacle to the implementation of the Lib agenda.

But I quite agree that several federal Liberal cabinet ministers should also have resigned. They now have at least three $1B misspending scandals: HRDC, Gun Registry, bogus claim GST refunds. Shameful, shocking and disgusting are my opinions on the conduct of the federal Libs.

But BC should never be looking to the wacky Federal Gov't for moral and ethical guidance.

	14-01-2003 00:09									#64
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I think DUIs are actually more serious in Canada than the US.

Apparently he's only going to get like a $500 fine max, and 3 months suspended driver's license for it?

Even in Alberta, they were talking of implementing a new system where if you fail a sobriety test you instantly get your license revoked (even before court) and your car impounded, and some insane fines...

	14-01-2003 00:13									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Asher DUI in Hawaii relates to making government policies in Canada, how?

Read the last paragraph of my earlier post.

	14-01-2003 00:15									#66
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quote: Originally posted by RedFred Read the last paragraph of my earlier post.

So because he himself is a moron when it comes to that kind of thing in his personal life, he shouldn't be able to make policies about it?

That's somewhat reasonable, but seeing as he's already made those policies, I don't see how it'll change anything. I very much doubt you'll see him make any policies after this that would make alcohol easier to access.

	14-01-2003 00:45									#67
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You nailed it right there.I.for one,don't want a moron running the show.If he can't make the right decision about returning to his hotel,how can he be trusted to make the right decision over something like the privatization of BC Hydro?..or spending 600 million for an Olympic bid?,or running a deficit?etc

He is pefectly welcome in society.Just not as a leader.He doesn't have the "right stuff" and he has shown that clearly here.

	14-01-2003 00:48									#68
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One of his governement's policies is/was to allow spirits to be sold in private beer and wine stores.Now we know why

	14-01-2003 02:19									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I don't see why everyone always holds politicians up with some magnifying glass expecting them to be perfect.

How is expecting them not to commit felonies while in office holding them up to a magnifing glass?

	14-01-2003 02:20									#70
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DUI is a felony in Hawaii?

A felony with a $500 fine as punishment? That seems out of whack to me.

I was under the impression that a first-time DUI offense is a misdemeanor.

	14-01-2003 02:48									#71
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quote: Originally posted by MacTBone I'm inclinced to say that his own party should determine whther he stays in office or not.

That's how it works in Canada. But if the Libs don't get rid of him quickly enough for voters' tastes then they're screwed in the next general election. I wonder if anybody's ever come back from a 2-seat debacle to form a majority government?

If he doesn't resign, though, the only way his party can get rid of him quickly is to pass a vote of no confidence on the floor of the assembly. Which brings about an immediate general election given that there's no significant opposition to form a government. Which they probably want to avoid. So if Gordon really has the best interests of his party at heart he'll resign. If not, he can give them a rough time.

	14-01-2003 02:51									#72
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I just thought of something: the BC Libs' caucus could split and the new party could pass a vote of no confidence then form a new government without a general election. That would be interesting...

	14-01-2003 05:12									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Oh what do ya do with a drunken premier? What do ya do with a drunken premier? What do ya do with a drunken premier? Earl-iah in tha mornin'?

Belated thank you to Dr Strangelove and obiwan18 for backing vocals.

	14-01-2003 05:37									#74
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quote: Originally posted by RedFred As to the argument that this was a personal, private issue; not a gov't issue, I disagree. Campbell has called for .... (c) liquor sales on BC Ferries despite the fact that most people travel on the ferries with their cars.

That's friggin crazy. What kind of nut would propose that. It's bad enough dealing with the speeding drivers after you get off the ferries without having to deal with someone who's had a few.

	14-01-2003 05:42									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Asher How did Bush get elected president with a DUI conviction?

Bush had a alcohol problem long before he ran for president and he dealt with it. That shows strength of character.

As for the conviction, we have to take the social attitudes of the time into account. When Bush was convicted, drunk driving was considered a minor infringement. Times have changed and we now realise that the damage it causes and we now consider a crime.

	21-01-2003 18:02									#76
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In more recent developments, Campbell's a big fat liar.

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/01/20/campbell030120

quote: Campbell failed the roadside sobriety test of walking a straight line. He voluntarily gave a breath sample at the roadside. He blew .161, more than twice the allowable limit. Last week the premier revealed he had blown .149 but that was in his second test, the one taken later at the police station.

quote: Maui police reports say when Campbell was arrested he slurred his speech, smelled of alcohol and had trouble standing. Campbell, the reports say, was so drunk he could not have safely driven a car. An officer saw Campbell drive up to 70 mph in a 45 mph zone. At one point the premier's car strayed over a double line into the oncoming lane. Later, when a another car approached, Campbell slammed on the brakes and pulled his car onto the shoulder. When the officer stopped Campbell, the premier had "watery eyes, oily facial features and slurred speech." As Campbell got out of the car, the officer saw him lose his balance and use his left arm to support himself against the vehicle. He was swaying from side to side.

	21-01-2003 18:12									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger I just thought of something: the BC Libs' caucus could split and the new party could pass a vote of no confidence then form a new government without a general election. That would be interesting...

Just take out "BC" in your first sentence and it becomes even more interesting.

	21-01-2003 18:19									#78
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I doubt it. Chrétien would kick some ass if it came down to it. I'm starting to get sentimental about the old bastard.

	21-01-2003 19:40									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger I doubt it. Chrétien would kick some ass if it came down to it. I'm starting to get sentimental about the old bastard.

I have a few sentiments for the SOB also. I make it a point to wish him all kinds of things every morning when i drive in front of 24 Sussex on my way to work.

	21-01-2003 19:41									#80
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Ah, the memories. He's the kind of guy I love to hate. I'll miss him when he's gone.

Paul Martin is just somebody I hate...

	21-01-2003 20:19									#81
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If (big if) the tories had a half decent candidate they could make some gains in QC IMO. Nobody wants to vote for the Bloc anymore and i get the feeling Martin has already lost a lot of his appeal.
But anyone would be better than JC.

	21-01-2003 20:24									#82
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They should vote NDP (NDP is actually polling above 10% in Quebec; when was the last time that happened?)

	21-01-2003 20:31									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger They should vote NDP (NDP is actually polling above 10% in Quebec; when was the last time that happened?)

That's what i mean : no one wants to vote for the Bloc but most Bloc supporters won't vote for the Libs. They won't vote for the Alliance, they won't vote for the PC since they don't know who's going to be the leader and ol'Joe is little more than a joke.
The appeal of the NDP? No one knows anything about their leader!

Anyways: when the picture gets clearer on who's going to be the new leader of the PC and Libs, the polls will definitely change.

BTW : I'm still waiting to see when Brian Tobin will make his triumphant return. He's the only one who's managed to steer clear of the mess that is the Libs succession run and he's got too much ambition to stay away i think.