11-01-2003 20:37									#1
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Since it is the weekend, we may get the save back more quickly than normal - so post your thoughts and orders here.

Unit Orders:
Visigoth Slaves (oliverfa) - Building Road
Madrid Spearman - E (returning to Madrid)

TEG (Togas) - E
Magyar Warriors (pikesfan) - NE
Madrid Expedition (Crousto) - S

Pamplona Warrior - S
Bulgar Warrior - E

Togas - will we be taking volunteers for unit commanders of these two latest units? Or perhaps just whichever one is to be used for the goodie hut and exploration?

Last edited by dejon on 13-01-2003 at 04:00

	11-01-2003 20:43									#2
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Here are two options for the Goodie Hut:

1) The Bulgar warriors head directly for it - popping it in 2 turns. In this scenario, we would either have to use an entertainer in Pamplona until the Bulgars arrive, or perhaps divert the Pamplona warriors to be garrison unit.

2) Send the Bulgars back to Pamplona as planned. Send the Pamplona Warriors to the hut - popping it in 3 turns. In this scenario, we would be leaving behind some unexplored valley, and I would suggest TEG be moved E this turn to compensate.

I would prefer 2), and the Pamplona warriors have a much greater chance to survive a barbarian attack, should the hut release some, and may become a veteran.

Thoughts?

	11-01-2003 21:36									#3
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If 1, dont forget to switch the Madrid settler to temple next turn.

	11-01-2003 21:39									#4
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When is Pamplona going to produce settlers?

I prefer option #2 so we don't waste the Madrid settler and we can get a city near the horses or the silk.

	11-01-2003 21:51									#5
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It is very important to keep the growth rythm of Pamplona. The sooner our population grows the better, because it will help us have an edge over the other civs or at least don't lose the race. To have an entertainer in Pamplona even just for one turn is a luxury we cannot permit ourselves to have. So, I recommend 2.

	11-01-2003 22:19									#6
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From our Lord Togas in the 2630BC thread...

quote: Pamplona grows in 3 turns and the warriors are 3 moves away, which was a slip up on my part. We may want to delay the growth of Pamplona 1 turn by micromanaging the workers the next two turns.

Actually, I miscalculated that the irrigation would not take effect until next turn , but Señor Dejon is right. I ran through a scenario to check, and the timing for the Bulgar Warriors still does prevent civil disorder

From Señor Dejon in the 2630BC thread...

quote: Now that the first cow is irrigated, switching the workers to the irrigated cow and gold mountain changes Pamplona's growth to 8 turns away, and would give us Writing in 13 turns.

Thank you for keeping me informed, Señor Dejon. As I said before, I would only want to consider doing it when the city becomes size 3, but I would like to know if anyone is concerned about the research rate enough to slow Pamplona a little. Obviously, it still knocks 6 turns (if we are at 19 turns now ) off the time horizon for the discovery of Writing... which is a plus, but how does it weigh in against other priorities? It would subtract 1 food and 1 shield from Pamplona's production.

From Senor Pikesfan Point...

quote: When is Pamplona going to produce settlers?

The next queue for Pamplona is to be settlers, and if we go the root of utilizing the forest tile instead of Gold Mountain, they would be ready to go in the year 2150 BC (unescorted, I presume ).

	11-01-2003 22:29									#7
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The new goody hut : I'd go for option 2 too.
My orders for Madrid expedition : south

	11-01-2003 22:39									#8
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser Thank you for keeping me informed, Señor Dejon. As I said before, I would only want to consider doing it when the city becomes size 3, but I would like to know if anyone is concerned about the research rate enough to slow Pamplona a little. Obviously, it still knocks 6 turns (if we are at 19 turns now ) off the time horizon for the discovery of Writing... which is a plus, but how does it weigh in against other priorities? It would subtract 1 food and 1 shield from Pamplona's production.

The quicker Spain grows, the quicker its research rate would also do. I consider that a lower research rate now will pay with a much higher research rate later. For this reason my sugestion about that would be to consider growth as a priority.

Of course this would change if it was a justified interest of getting Writing earlier.

	12-01-2003 00:44									#9
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Señor Dejon, could you check the F7 screen to see if anyone has begun to build a Wonder of the World.

I don't know if it is standard each turn, but it would be helpful to know if other teams have begun any great Projects.

	12-01-2003 01:38									#10
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Let' go Option 2. Move the Bulgers back E, E, N.

Move the Pamplona group SW towards the Goodie Hut.

Move TEG SE to clear out a bit more black, then we move back towards that new range on the coast.


Also, I am leaving shortly for another round of NFL playoffs, and then Poker Night at my brother's pad. If the save comes in this afternoon Dejon has my permission to handle it. I'll check online from my brother's place between games to see if there's any issues.

--Togas

	12-01-2003 01:49									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Togas Let' go Option 2. Move the Bulgers back E, E, N. Move the Pamplona group SW towards the Goodie Hut. Move TEG SE to clear out a bit more black, then we move back towards that new range on the coast. Also, I am leaving shortly for another round of NFL playoffs, and then Poker Night at my brother's pad. If the save comes in this afternoon Dejon has my permission to handle it. I'll check online from my brother's place between games to see if there's any issues. --Togas

Okay, noted. Have a good time.

Just in case you didn't realize - moving TEG SE will leave one (annoying) dark spot in the valley. Moving E will uncover it. While we can determine the terrain of the spot, we wouldn't be able to see it held a precious resource or hut.

	12-01-2003 01:52									#12
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That's fine. Let's move TEG EAST to clear out all of the black, and then send them back to their regular coastal scouting duties.

--Togas

	13-01-2003 04:28									#13
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2590 BC Report

TEG - E - uncovered heart of valley
Madrid Expedition - S - nothing exciting
Bulgars - E (toward Pamplona)
Pamplona Warrios - S (towards Hut)

AND ...

Magyars - NE - uncovered ANOTHER GOODIE HUT!

We'll uncover both in 2 turns!

Military Advisor
Strong compared to GoW, Lux
Average compared to ND

Science
Writing in 18 turns (Slider on 90%)

Scores
Lego has moved past us into Second.

Demographics
Madrid is no longer the top city and we have slipped to 5th in GNP and Productivity. GS has a size 4 city.

World Map
Demographics
Madrid
Pamplona
Scores

	13-01-2003 05:03									#14
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If you have a settler that is on it's way to a new site, can you get a settler from a Goodie Hut?

Eta Tamali

	13-01-2003 06:01									#15
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quote: Originally posted by E_T If you have a settler that is on it's way to a new site, can you get a settler from a Goodie Hut?

IIRC, you cannot get one if you have one already built and moving to a location

Is there anything that Madrid could build that costs more than a settler at this point? And if so, would we want to delay?

	13-01-2003 06:34									#16
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Dont think its worth changing production

Odds are we wont get a settler anyways.

As for a matter I myself would like to raise. How Likely is it that if we search our western "coastline"... that we will find a landbridge towards Lego's position? Looking at our world map, I myself am I thinking it could be likely that the coast will curve, making our continent to look like a bulky U.

Thoughts?

	13-01-2003 06:36									#17
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Can we wait on the 2 Huts, because the Setter from Madrid is for Site #3 (the coastal Site). It seems that ND Scout has moved along the Jungle line and is not anywhere near the Central Hut.

I will take 5 turns for Barcelona to be built, we can wait a few turns, IMHO, before we pop the huts. We can keep the Pamplona Warrior in the Mountians & close to the Central Hut, if we want to be close to it.

I would like the Southern Explorer to move to the 2 land outcropings (circled in Yellow), if possible, before it pops the Hut. There is no Danger of someone else getting it.

Check out this map for what I mean.



Eta Tamali

	14-01-2003 04:58									#18
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Turn replayed - no difference.

(See main forum for replay reason)