12-01-2003 01:47									#1
	DISCUSSION:Pre-Victory:Radical Notion Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

WE CAN HAVE IT ALL!!

If we want it, Victory on our own terms. If we choose to, we can win in multiple ways for all desired victory conditions.
All it would take is ...

First deciding that it is our collective right to choose when and how we win.

That it is OK, that it is not cheating to win, party, go back a turn and PREVENT the win, any way possible. Strive for the next possible win, preventing the previous win and any losses

Rinse and repeat.(to some predetermined limit)

I usually play my own games to two or three wins. I quit when I repeat a win. I even role the dice and hold elections from time to time. It becomes more a balancing act and espionage is REAL important. It can be fun, but I know it is not for everyone. I offer this as an idea.

Vote and discuss.

Mss

	12-01-2003 02:45									#2
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This is not what I thought it was going to be from the thread title, but so what. I suspect that we will have trouble keeping interest for long enough for multiple victory

	12-01-2003 07:00									#3
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I do the same in my games. Great idea, MSS!

	12-01-2003 09:17									#4
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Either Diplo or Space are my prefs (and domination would be okay too, as long as we only need one or two more wars), but I think we should choose one victory. Some people are already losing interest, and I have to admit I'm beginning to join them; though that may just be the lack of recent turnplay. It's not like we've passed all hurdles; we could still be hurt by nukes.

But I think multiple victories just wouldn't hold my attention. It'd be fine with me if some people wanted to experiance victories different from the first one, but I wouldn't join in.

	12-01-2003 10:27									#5
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Interesting idea MSS! I don't know if I support or not yet, I'll think on it. But it's certainly a plausible idea....

But I sense, somewhat, that there is a growing feeling among 'poly to get this one over with and start the new one. At least that's what I heard somewhere or other.
Maybe the above post...

	12-01-2003 10:45									#6
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One win and by diplomacy. Not that much fun, but its the quickest. We all know we are going to win so lets get it over with.

	12-01-2003 10:48									#7
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The only problem with winning is... where will I see this fine group of people again? That means I would have to *gulp* venture out into the other Apolyton forums! I've never been out there before! Oh dear!

Alternatively, after we win, we can just keep on playing the game forever...

	12-01-2003 14:22									#8
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I think we'd be starting a new game up, correct?

	12-01-2003 14:53									#9
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I'm not sure, I think after we officially win this, more people might consider a multi-site demo game which will just totally rock I think.

Of course I could be wrong, I'm sure there are a few of us brave souls willing to bump it up to diety level.

	12-01-2003 20:15									#10
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I am for a SS victory. I have never liked diplomatic victory, and i feel conquest/domination will just take too long.

	12-01-2003 20:16									#11
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We should start a new game.

We need to keep at least one open Civ3 demo game running. the other games you have to be accepted and everything, limiting the number of people.

	12-01-2003 20:18									#12
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Space Victory!!!

	13-01-2003 00:04									#13
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hi ,

diplomacy would be great

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	13-01-2003 00:22									#14
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CONQUEST

	13-01-2003 00:35									#15
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I normally play for Space Ship or Domination. But I have done that many times each and am out for something different.

And consistent with my typical play style, I have never had the courage to call for the UN vote. Is this the time? I sure hope so, cause that's how I voted here.

Ssgt roadcage (retired)

	13-01-2003 02:13									#16
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quote: Originally posted by roadcage ... I have never had the courage to call for the UN vote. Is this the time?.... Ssgt roadcage (retired)

It is quite nerve racking. I always get the UN and and I call votes abour 40% of the times asked. I even abstained a few times when I knew I would win diplomaticly.

Winning diplomacy is still possible. All it takes is an excellent reputation, which we have, and maintaining a 70% -80% polite (or better) attitude and we stand a great chance in the vote.

I would then finish my spaceship and consider domination.

Those are three three wins I work with.

Mss

	13-01-2003 18:39									#17
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Space victory is the way to go. Sure, we have won the game, and should get over it, but if we enter hardcore builder mode, our spaceship will be done soon (the game is incredibly faster in builder mode), and at least we'll have a more fulfilling victory than simply diplomatic.
Domination or conquest will simply drag the game forever : look at this term : only a few turns have been done because of the war. And the game has been completely stopped for a week because of a leader we didn't know what to do of. These problems we won't have if we enter builder mode. These problems we will have if we keep warring (boring).

While diplomacy victory might be a good to get over it quickly, I think it's not fulfilling enough. We have played this game for 7 months now, we should win it bigtime !

	15-01-2003 08:14									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Space victory is the way to go. Sure, we have won the game, and should get over it, but if we enter hardcore builder mode, our spaceship will be done soon (the game is incredibly faster in builder mode), and at least we'll have a more fulfilling victory than simply diplomatic. Domination or conquest will simply drag the game forever : look at this term : only a few turns have been done because of the war. And the game has been completely stopped for a week because of a leader we didn't know what to do of. These problems we won't have if we enter builder mode. These problems we will have if we keep warring (boring). While diplomacy victory might be a good to get over it quickly, I think it's not fulfilling enough. We have played this game for 7 months now, we should win it bigtime !

I agree completely.

	15-01-2003 23:07									#19
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SPACE RACE HAS A 2/3 MAJORITY!!!

	16-01-2003 02:20									#20
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Woohoo!

Fire up the Iron Works; we're goin to Alpha Centauri!

	16-01-2003 02:30									#21
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I wonder how expensive could be a first class ticket... Cartographers don't make much money, you know.

	16-01-2003 02:37									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Aro I wonder how expensive could be a first class ticket... Cartographers don't make much money, you know.

Just put it on the Labor Party tab...

	16-01-2003 03:03									#24
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I suppose I'll vote for space race. It's the easiest and I would rather do domination, but it's time to start a new game. So we'll go the quickest victory....Space Race.

	16-01-2003 07:21									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Meshelic Just put it on the Labor Party tab...

The Labor Party can be the Free Drones when we get to AC. The DIA could be the Peacekeepers, the Hawks could be the Spartans, FEAR/ARM could be the Believers... hmm.... this could work

	16-01-2003 19:11									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Aro I wonder how expensive could be a first class ticket... Cartographers don't make much money, you know.

hi ,

dont worry , we shall need to map the new grounds , so you are all ready elected to go , .....

we should get computers so we can get science faster , maybe in the city with iron works we can get a large space dish , to start to look for signs out there , ........

( SETI )

have a nice day