12-01-2003 23:50									#1
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So..what game do you prefer, and why?

Civ3, with it's shiny 3d graphics, nice AI, historical units and civilizations, or SMAC, with custom unit design, SE, and sci-fi theme?

	12-01-2003 23:53									#2
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let me be one of the first to say.....SMAC RULES......and CIV3 isnt really civ.....and civ3 screwed with airplanes

	12-01-2003 23:53									#3
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SMAC because of the greater political aspects. I also liked the unit design better.

	12-01-2003 23:54									#4
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I vote Civ3, but I probably haven't played SMAC enough to tell anything deeply. (Didn't like the dark graphics)

	12-01-2003 23:57									#5
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civ3 is crap with its resources, culture (EDIT: culture flipping ), combat, corruption, lack of SE or unit design, and the like. SMAC BRAC for sure, despite being science fiction based...

	12-01-2003 23:59									#6
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SMAC is the better game IMO.

	13-01-2003 00:16									#7
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This isn´t really a contest. Civ3 chokes on SMAC´s dust IMO.

	13-01-2003 00:48									#8
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For me, it's a tie ... although I really miss some kind of Social Engineering in Civ3.

	13-01-2003 00:52									#9
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SMAC. Civ3 has any good ideas, but they weren't properly developed.

	13-01-2003 00:53									#10
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quote: Originally posted by lockstep For me, it's a tie ...

Come on.....get off the fence.

	13-01-2003 01:12									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 The Glorious BRAC is a triumph over the counter-revoluationary Civ3

Yes, BRAC claims a proletarian victory over the petty-bourgeouis revisionist Civ3.

Long live BRAC and it´s chairman Comrade Reynolds, the shining beacon of the proletariat!!

Damn, I really must stop reading all those flyers by our local Sundero Luminoso supporters...

	13-01-2003 01:47									#12
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It isn't called BRAC. It is ACABRD if you want only Brian's name in the acronyn.

Learn some history.

	13-01-2003 01:51									#13
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SMAC for sure. Civ3 is a good game, but SMAC had more of the "one more turn" feeling!

And Apocalypse, don't be such a party crasher!

	13-01-2003 02:01									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai And Apocalypse, don't be such a party crasher!

I just feel the need to set the record straight.

	13-01-2003 02:39									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse It isn't called BRAC. It is ACABRD if you want only Brian's name in the acronyn. Learn some history.

You mean acronym? Learn to spell, sourpuss

	13-01-2003 02:44									#16
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Lol he asked for that I guess.

	13-01-2003 02:57									#17
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Yep! But let´s not get this thread closed because of OT-threadjacking. DanQ just closed a whole bunch of those in the A/C-forum. I´m feeling a bit guilty to some of them...

	13-01-2003 03:23									#18
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Well, neither of them are supposed to be very mod-friendly... and SMAC is too dark... but considering that I refuse to buy Civ III as I see it as a downgrade (1/2 the leaders; less civs, etc) I'll vote SMAC.

	13-01-2003 03:55									#19
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i believe there is an option to make SMAC brighter BTW...

	13-01-2003 04:30									#20
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Civ III is my choice. No, not to irritate TKG and Lemmy after the debacle on IRC about Civ III and if it's bad or good.

	13-01-2003 05:23									#21
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So, why do you choose it? I believe you owe the majority an explanation. Then after you see the error of your ways, you can correct your attitude to concur with the majority

	13-01-2003 07:39									#22
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SMAC

I still don't understand why they left out some of SMAC's diplomacy out from Civ3. I think Civ3 was a step backwards in some ways.

	13-01-2003 08:06									#23
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SMAC is dark, the fungus and the mindworms are amazingly gross, the leaders are ugly, and the way they relate to you is annoying. Civilization III doesn't install on my computer. SMAC by default.

	13-01-2003 10:18									#24
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quote: Civ3, with it's shiny 3d graphics

...which means that you have to get a Overclocked P4-4,5Ghz and 512 Mb RAM to play it on huge maps?

quote: nice AI

Which only keeps with the player by having entire map and obscure amounts of
starting units. And which keeps building cities behind your border, praying to get flipped.

quote: historical units and civilizations

Hmmh. IIRC:
From Europe, there are about 10 civs, all of them have been with a close contact with UK/England.
From America, there are two civs, which both formed after 14th century.
From Africa, there is one militaristic civ from 19th century.
From Asia, there are 2 world's biggest and longest living civilizations.
And one imperialistic, small one.

Sounds great to me.

AC, goddammit.

quote: i believe there is an option to make SMAC brighter BTW...

The only easy way that I know of is the Gamma correction.

	13-01-2003 14:15									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X So, why do you choose it?

Ahh... looks like I need to get those ICR logs.

* Rasbelin starts looking for his IRC logs.

Just a sec. I haven't promised you an explanation, so then I don't owe you one either. But you can check the Civ III foras for some old posts by me.

	13-01-2003 14:16									#26
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Hey, i had to show some sign of neutrality in my first post, if was honest i would scare all the civ3-players away

	13-01-2003 14:50									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Ahh... looks like I need to get those ICR logs. * Rasbelin starts looking for his IRC logs. Just a sec. I haven't promised you an explanation, so then I don't owe you one either. But you can check the Civ III foras for some old posts by me.

Too much work... I just thought that since Lemmy asked a question and since you prefer the inferior Civ3, you would want to explain why...

But I see you got some company now...

	13-01-2003 15:04									#28
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Nevermind... here you go, little Smacists.

Civ III - good in my opinion, because of...

- Bartering table and nice resource system.
- Improved graphics (3D).
- New concepts like UUs and culture.
- Working game play and interface.

	13-01-2003 20:41									#29
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hi ,

CIV III , graphics , units , civs , etc , ...

and there is PTW

have a nice day

	13-01-2003 20:43									#30
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Ah, so Panag is *Rasbelin's* DL.