13-01-2003 02:53									#1
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There are some mods for CTP1 out there but I don't know how many and exactly what is out. As far as I know there is:

Harlan's Mod Pack
CD's Mod
Apolyton Pack
Med Mod
Nordicus Alternative Trade Goods
And my Small City Mod 2 add on that actual needs a small update.
And of course the dafault unmodded game

So what are the advantages and disadvantages of all these options and if I forgot some improtant mod please post here.

-Martin

	13-01-2003 02:55									#2
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MED MOD!!!!

I love med-mod. Great mod, IMO.

No real disadvatages... except for the odd coding error.

	13-01-2003 03:04									#3
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What is the odd coding error? And do you know any other possible mods that could we use. Note that Nordicus' and my mods are rather add ons and not mods and not standalone mods. So did I missed one of these add on mods?

-Martin

	13-01-2003 03:13									#4
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Nord's Awesome AIPs (comes with MedMod)

I think thats it...

No real other add ons either.

Sorry

	13-01-2003 03:34									#5
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I vote for no mods. Sorry Frozzy... I know you love med mod.

	13-01-2003 03:41									#6
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So what is the advantage of the origianal game over Med Mod, Apolyton Pack, CD's Mod, etc...

Note that this thread is not a poll just a place for brain storming in order to get to know all the options we have.

-Martin

	13-01-2003 07:21									#7
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I see. I like original rules because then everyone is on the same track. Mods to me are like Chess or Poker variants -- only a select small group play the variants but the majority of people play using the original rules. I'm sure the mods have their advantages over the original in some ways, but I think the standardization outweighs the benefits of the mods. Just my opinion.

	13-01-2003 07:35									#8
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I agree with Quinns.

We're playing CtP, not MedMod CtP.

Play the original.

	13-01-2003 07:49									#9
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I think we are missing a serious point here, the AI. Unmodded, the AI sucks monkey balls. The only challenge I get from it anymore is when they start with 5 or more settlers and over 500,000 gold. Yet still the AI can only defeat me with alien life. There was a small discussion about having more than 1 president and play in a PBEM fashion, but I think we will have to wait for our community to grow first.
Quinns, I agree with you that an unmodded game will go well because "everyone [will be] on the same track. " But MedMod does have its problems too. Namly people are not as familur with its tech tree, units, wonders, and city improvments. Also there is the absents of Constitutional Monarchy. Froz did you fix that on yours? And, if I am not mistaken, most of the above mentioned mods are combined in MedMod.
I could play the game with or without mods. That is my final answer

	13-01-2003 07:52									#10
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Nimrods point is taken. I suggest we use Awesome AIPs (IIRC, thats what makes the AI so good in MedMod).

However, I think we should conisder pushing the game engine to its limits. Give us 16-32 civs, rather than 8 or less.

	13-01-2003 08:50									#11
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I want to vote against mods.

	13-01-2003 09:50									#12
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me to. NO MODS

	13-01-2003 10:17									#13
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Maybe each "part" could control more than one civ - just as we do it in the game "The Great Alliances"? Then the AI would just be a little noise in the background anyway.

And I know for sure, that even with the MedMod, the AI isn't capabel using carriers, making invasions (from sea) or use nukes/cruise missiles.

Edit: It would also give us the oppotunity, to make revolutions, breaking a greater pagt of nations from each other if the number of players grows and/or some players during the time can't agree upon anything.

	13-01-2003 11:47									#14
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stronger AI"s

	13-01-2003 11:48									#15
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To all who said no mods: I suggest Awesome AIPS at least. The AI is moot with no mods, and Awesome Aips makes this a lot better.

	13-01-2003 15:48									#16
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I vote MedMod. Best AI, best gameplay.

quote: Mods to me are like Chess or Poker variants -- only a select small group play the variants but the majority of people play using the original rules.

For MP games that may be true, but I hardly know anyone in the CtP2 community who plays that game unmodded. For CtP1, it's hard to say since most people just/mostly play MP these days, but 2 years ago when the SP community was still very much alive, many people here would have laughed at a comment like that...

	13-01-2003 15:54									#17
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After I read, that this game will be "played" as a SP-game, I vote for the MedMod 4.13 (remember to correct the little problem with Constitutional Monarchy).

	13-01-2003 16:28									#18
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I also place my vote strongly on Med Mod based on the fact that ever since i found out about the Apolyton site and DLed the Med Mod i have always used it to play SP!

	13-01-2003 16:55									#19
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I vote for med mod it has lots of extras and has great units the timescale is also better unmodded there is too much future stuff and not enough past.

	13-01-2003 19:25									#20
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Okay. I thought we were not playing single player against the a/i alone, but two separate civilizations each controlled by humans, hence my vote for no mods. I forgot that there are many SP players participating in this democratic game. But as the concensus is playing single player, I agree -- make the a/i as good as you can. Like many said, the a/i is not very good in single player mode -- unmodded.

	13-01-2003 23:43									#21
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Atleast better AI

Last edited by Azrael on 13-01-2003 at 23:50

	14-01-2003 00:12									#22
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quote: Originally posted by quinns Okay. I thought we were not playing single player against the a/i alone, but two separate civilizations each controlled by humans, hence my vote for no mods. I forgot that there are many SP players participating in this democratic game. But as the concensus is playing single player, I agree -- make the a/i as good as you can. Like many said, the a/i is not very good in single player mode -- unmodded.

I made the same "mistake" Steve.

I also believed we had two governments controlling each nation/alliance/pagt and the game therefore would be a sort of a PBEM game. But that will have to wait for the next game as far as I can see.

	14-01-2003 11:58									#23
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Whatever happens, have Harlan's mod. I can't see any problem with that.

	15-01-2003 08:14									#24
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Why did we not just have a plain old vote on the mod? Or did we?

	15-01-2003 23:52									#25
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quote: Originally posted by checkMate Why did we not just have a plain old vote on the mod? Or did we?

Because I wanted to know what is out there without browsing the APOlyton directory and not a poll, yet. So that I can include all possible options.

So far I only have the options I had already at the start of this thread:

quote: Originally postded by Martin Gühmann Harlan's Mod Pack CD's Mod Apolyton Pack Med Mod Nordicus Alternative Trade Goods And my Small City Mod 2 add on that actual needs a small update. And of course the dafault unmodded game

If noone posts more possible options then it will be this list, about we can vote.

-Martin

	16-01-2003 00:28									#26
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I can accept those choices - I have played the 5 first choices several times.

you actually have a "list of evoluation" with the first 4 choices, meaning Harlan or CD (Celestial Dawn) have something and Apolyton Pack most of the two first plus a lot more.

Nordicus (Thomas) have something completely different.

And WesW MedMod has most from all mods.

	16-01-2003 01:34									#27
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quote: Originally posted by TheBirdMan I can accept those choices - I have played the 5 first choices several times. you actually have a "list of evoluation" with the first 4 choices, meaning Harlan or CD (Celestial Dawn) have something and Apolyton Pack most of the two first plus a lot more. Nordicus (Thomas) have something completely different. And WesW MedMod has most from all mods.

Now we go a little bit into the detail, that was actual the kind of information I wanted to get here. I got internet access in the year 2000 and actual played CTP1 again in the summer so that I only downloaded Harlans mod pack and played a little bit around with the city styles and with the colors00.txt. Then I got Fallout then Fallout2, Outcast, Diablo and finally I bought in December 2000 CTP2. Therefore I don't have to much experience with other CTP1 mods.

So I wait until the end of the week to start the poll so that it is possible for everyone else to give some input here.

-Martin

	16-01-2003 01:37									#28
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Wes' MedMod is a whole different animal to CtP 1.2

It has a completly different tech-tree, new units and govenments...

Basically, its CtP v. 2

	16-01-2003 02:03									#29
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I downloaded Med Mod 4. How do I run it? Can someone point me to a link that shows how to install it? I would be most grateful.

	16-01-2003 02:12									#30
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Quinns, AFAIK there is no installation guide. You need to copy and paste the FILES (not the folders) into the correct folders.

However, I suggest you install CtP v1.2 again so you can still PBEM and Single Play