13-01-2003 07:55									#1
	Term 8 Foreign Affairs Minister Election Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

You may choose between these candidates for Foreign Affairs Minister for Term 8:

Shiber
Thud

This poll will be open for 3 days.

	13-01-2003 08:15									#2
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I have a vote? I wasn't expecting that, thanks!

	13-01-2003 08:46									#3
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Vote for Thud, as he won't let the other Nations take advantage of us.

E_T

	13-01-2003 09:08									#4
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Vote Shiber! His aggressive foreign policies will ensure that our neighbors could never afford another war with us, and will maintain our position as the wealthiest and most enlightened nation in the world!

	13-01-2003 17:02									#5
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Thud is great, but Shiber has my full support.

	14-01-2003 07:45									#6
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Let's get some conversation going on here. Who's voting for who? Why? What did I do so right to make this election this close?

Btw, for all who have not voted: Shiber advocates an agressive policy stance, while I go for "olive branch diplomacy".

	14-01-2003 08:27									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Thud Let's get some conversation going on here. Who's voting for who? Why? What did I do so right to make this election this close? Btw, for all who have not voted: Shiber advocates an agressive policy stance, while I go for "olive branch diplomacy".

FYI, I voted for you Thud.

Perhaps I shouldn't say so publicly, but I was not impressed with Shiber's treatment of the VP situation last term and will not support that type of tempermant in cabinet.

	14-01-2003 14:11									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Thud Let's get some conversation going on here. Who's voting for who? Why? What did I do so right to make this election this close? Btw, for all who have not voted: Shiber advocates an agressive policy stance, while I go for "olive branch diplomacy".

Regardless of what Thud says, I am not 'aggressive'. I do intend to charge full price from the rest of the civs for the techs and luxuries that we'll sell them. I do not intend to humiliate the other civs, should the public decide not to go for a diplomatic victory (while you seem rather bent on it, I leave our options open). I do intend to work with the SMC to gain monopoly over as many luxuries as possible, so that in the event that the senate will decide to go to war against a certain civ, we will be able to bring down their government and prepare the grounds for our attack.
However, in case that the senate decides to win the game diplomatically, I have a solid plan in mind on how we can achieve that. Firstly, I will order our envoys to offer our techs, luxuries or resources to the AI civs that are least fond of us for rediculous prices. Second, I will sign MPPs, RoPs and trade deals with the AI civs immediately before the UN voting.
I believe that we don't have to be wussy to win diplomatically, just calculated, and that is what I intend to do should the senate choose the diplomatic victory option.

As for your self-described 'olive branch diplomacy', I'd like to hear more about it.

	14-01-2003 15:50									#9
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hi ,

may the best one win

have a nice day

	14-01-2003 18:52									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Meshelic Vote Shiber! His aggressive foreign policies will ensure that our neighbors could never afford another war with us, and will maintain our position as the wealthiest and most enlightened nation in the world!

quote: Originally posted by Aro Thud is great, but Shiber has my full support.

Thank you Meshelic and Aro! You both are very kind.

As I have explained in the FAM campaign thread, my versatile policy will get us to where we want to be. If we want peace, then I will make sure that no nation will be able to support a war against us. If we want war, then I will make sure that we can weaken our chosen enemy as much as possible before we march in with tanks, and thus spend less money on military and save money for rushing city improvements.

	14-01-2003 23:39									#11
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Close......

	14-01-2003 23:45									#12
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing Close......

That was the scariest comment in this thread I thought the poll was closed already

	15-01-2003 01:15									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Thud Let's get some conversation going on here. Who's voting for who? Why? What did I do so right to make this election this close? Btw, for all who have not voted: Shiber advocates an agressive policy stance, while I go for "olive branch diplomacy".

uh, you just gave my vote to him.

	15-01-2003 01:18									#14
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Are there any offices in our government Thud hasn't run for?

	15-01-2003 01:52									#15
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I voted Shiber we'll be getting plenty of cash for what we need, so we shouldn't be subsidizing potential competion. I don't think Shiber can be aggessive in this post, I do belive this should be a peaceful "niche" in our history (after the wars with Germany and I hope England)

	15-01-2003 04:20									#16
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Actually Ghengis, every position I've run for I've been elected to (SMC and MoS). I'll probably run again for FAM, I'm just that stubborn.

Thank you for your support E_T and Dejon!

	15-01-2003 22:11									#17
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Go thud you can win this.

	16-01-2003 01:38									#18
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C'mon Shiber....

	16-01-2003 01:42									#19
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Go, Shiber... a few more hours!

	16-01-2003 02:26									#20
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Both highly qualified candidates. I just hope it stays close

	16-01-2003 08:05									#21
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ooh! Shiber pulls it off by a hair!!!

	16-01-2003 08:08									#22
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Great Shiber! This will be a fantastic term...
My congratulations, man!

	16-01-2003 08:19									#23
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Congrats, Shiber.

Though Thud is a member of my party, you know that I've been trying to get you to run for an office for 3 terms now.

I'm glad you finally ran!

I think you'll make an awesome Foreign Affairs Minister.

	16-01-2003 08:27									#24
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Congrats Shiber!

I know you'll make a great FAM. I actually support your policies, they make just as much sense as mine do.

	16-01-2003 08:29									#25
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Congrats, Shiber. Glad to see my late vote wouldn't have made a difference.

	16-01-2003 09:48									#26
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Ah Shiber I'm proud of you man!

	16-01-2003 15:55									#27
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Thud, running against you was probably the greatest challenge I could have expected when I announced my candidancy to the position of FAM. I must say that you gave an admirable fight!
I'm looking forward to a successful term, and should I run for a government job next term as well, I will look forward to working alongside you (I certainly wouldn't like to run against you again! I barely pulled off this one... whew)

My thanks and ever-lasting appreciation go out to everyone who supported me throughout the race, as well as to those who presented challenging counter-arguments, and thus have made the race much more interesting! Nowadays, we are short of devoted players due to PTW/multisite-DG drainage, so every vote, every voice and every post counts! (pun intended)

Once again, thank you all. May we march forward, together, to a better future! (kitsch not intended)

	16-01-2003 20:56									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber Thud, running against you was probably the greatest challenge I could have expected when I announced my candidancy to the position of FAM. I must say that you gave an admirable fight! I'm looking forward to a successful term, and should I run for a government job next term as well, I will look forward to working alongside you (I certainly wouldn't like to run against you again! I barely pulled off this one... whew) My thanks and ever-lasting appreciation go out to everyone who supported me throughout the race, as well as to those who presented challenging counter-arguments, and thus have made the race much more interesting! Nowadays, we are short of devoted players due to PTW/multisite-DG drainage, so every vote, every voice and every post counts! (pun intended) Once again, thank you all. May we march forward, together, to a better future! (kitsch not intended)

hi ,

so , are the two of you going to work together

have a nice day

	16-01-2003 21:12									#29
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At the moment I don't suppose I'll need a deputy, but should I find that I do need help, Thud would certainly be the first one I'll ask to be my deputy.

Last edited by Shiber on 16-01-2003 at 21:35