13-01-2003 15:10									#1
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Please help; remember, I may be a clueless Yank, but I want to be a Eurocom :

I'm trying to book a train ticket on-line, one way from Paris to Frankfurt, and I have the choice of a first or second class ticket. But I can't find anything that tells me what the difference between the two classes is. So, the two part question is:

a) What's the difference?

and

b) On a 6-hour trip during which my nose will just be buried in a book anyway, is this difference worth the extra 30 Euros?

Thanks in advance.

	13-01-2003 15:43									#2
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1st class is a bit more convenient, the seats are softer and the service a bit better. Also, the way to the restaurant wagon is usually shorter (if the train has one, that is). It is mostly used by older ladies and gentlemen. 6 hours ain't worth the difference of €30, if you ask me. 2nd class will bring you to Frankfurt too. In the same time, btw.

	13-01-2003 15:49									#3
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The difference is similar to that of an airline. I cannot speak for continental european trains but here in the UK first class train tickets are about 50% extra. For that you get a big seat with more leg room (i.e. some trains their is hostess service). So I guess its like upgrading a flight ticket from standard to business class etc.

Hope this helps.

Oh and 1st class compartments on UK trains are nornally full of toffs (err rich business men and fine chicks (girls)).

	13-01-2003 15:51									#4
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1st class is for high society, snobs, business people and the elderly... but quite comfortable.
Sir Ralph's right, spend the 30 Euros on something else.

	13-01-2003 16:24									#5
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And you can't compare a 2nd class seat on a train with that one on a plain. As long as the train isn't packed, you'll have plenty of room.

Save the money to get a decent meal

	13-01-2003 16:32									#6
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Thanks all; second-class it is!

	13-01-2003 16:35									#7
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I second that. I've never seen a 1st class on a train that's worth the extra money.

	13-01-2003 17:15									#8
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I always travel first class. But that's because I don't have to pay for it...

	13-01-2003 17:50									#9
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Go for the second class, especially since it is only 6 hours.

Saluti

	13-01-2003 20:02									#10
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I think the 2nd class seats and all the rest about the cars are to good nowadays. As I'm a cheap bastard I would like to have the 3rd class wagons back in service again! Damn it, I want to share my space with chickens and goats like they do in the poor parts of the world as long as I can save anything.

	13-01-2003 20:40									#11
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Take the 2nd class you pumpered baby

(It just hit me, I've nener taken the 1st class on trains )

	13-01-2003 20:53									#12
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I've ridden on some trains where 2nd class can be very crowded while 1st class is empty. In that case 1st class is worth a little extra.

	13-01-2003 21:50									#13
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SpencerH hits the nail on the head.

	13-01-2003 23:18									#14
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Why not save all your money and spend it in Paris? Forget Frankfurt...

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As an American who has ridden on both first and second class seats in European trains, I must say to get the first class seats. I don't know what kind of squalid environment you Europeans are used to to be able tolerate such conditions, but I'll never ride second class again. :vom:

	14-01-2003 00:13									#16
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It is not crowded, normally, nor is it small.

But I guess that depends on many factors (which train you got, what you're used to etc)

	14-01-2003 00:30									#17
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Frankfurt is great. There was an area called the plats de Frankenstein (or something like that). Just restaurants, bars, and clubs, no cars. I sat in a bar one day from about noon until closing watching Bundesleaguer football, drinking beer, and listening to very very loud music. You can (or could) buy a 'boot' of beer which is similar to a yard of ale (you've got to be careful of the last bit).

	14-01-2003 14:49									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij Why not save all your money and spend it in Paris? Forget Frankfurt...

I'd love to, but the Frankfurt leg of the trip is business, not pleasure.

	14-01-2003 22:59									#19
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Depends on the train journey. I travelled (all in second-class) from Aberystwyth to Manchester today.

Aber - Shrewsbury: great journey. I got a table and extra legroom since the train was quiet, so I could read a broadsheet paper and spread out in comfort.

Shrewsbury - Manchester: Just as good, were it not for the train breaking down in Crewe and me having to transfer to another train that didn't have tables and the extra legroom that goes with them.

Manchester - Salford Crescent: Horrendous. Busy, and at rush hour due to the break-down and that the train I was meant to catch for this journey was 14 mins late, then 16 mins, then 18, then 19, then 21 and finally cancelled.

Salford Crescent - home: Busy but just about managed to find a seat. Rickety old train though.

	14-01-2003 23:27									#20
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BTW you're very lucky Rufus.
France and Germany have the best rail and trains in Europe and probably the world.
Be glad, you're not in the UK, they have amongst the worse

	14-01-2003 23:31									#21
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The Cambrian railway is the best I have travelled on. One of the most picturesque, and since there's only two trains using it, never has any delays.

	14-01-2003 23:32									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Aber - Shrewsbury: great journey. I got a table and extra legroom since the train was quiet, so I could read a broadsheet paper and spread out in comfort.

Have they changed the format of the Daily Mail?

	14-01-2003 23:36									#24
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that train looks like it was looted from germany in WW2.

	14-01-2003 23:38									#25
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Well if it's good enough for them.

	14-01-2003 23:40									#26
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they have advanced from then

	14-01-2003 23:43									#27
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Actually, that isn't a typical train in mid-Wales. I got a wrong picture, but the scenery is just the same.

	14-01-2003 23:50									#30
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the sky is wrong