13-01-2003 22:08									#1
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Turkey - Another Turkish prisoner has died on a hunger strike, raising the death toll in the protest against Turkey's maximum security prisons to 64 people, a prisoner support group said Sunday.



Ozlem Turk, 27, starved to death Saturday after fasting for 471 days, the group Ozgur Tayad said. The hunger strikers take vitamins and sugared water to prolong their fast. Human rights groups allege the protesters are also force-fed.


Turk had been imprisoned for membership in the Revolutionary People's Liberation Party-Front, or DHKP-C, a banned Marxist group, Ozgur Tayad said. Due to deteriorating health, she was transferred in August to the Ankara hospital where she died.


Leftist prisoners and their supporters began the fast in October 2000 in protest of the government's policy of moving prisoners from large wards housing up to 100 people to one- or three-inmate cells.


The government says that the large wards grew out of control and became virtual training camps for militants. But inmates say the smaller cells leave them isolated and vulnerable to abuse by guards.


Ozgur Tayad said 16 prisoners and two others are pressing forward with the protest.


The DHKP-C, which is leading the strike, has claimed responsibility for a number of assassinations and bombings since the 1970s.




http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...hunger_strike_1

	14-01-2003 01:19									#2
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Is the thought of hot sweaty men getting you excited, paiktis?

	14-01-2003 03:11									#3
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Third world prisons must be pure hell. I even feel sorry for a scourge of the earth, commies. Nobody should be treated like that.

Except child molesters and rapists...murderers...

	14-01-2003 05:52									#4
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We have two inmate cells here...what exactly is the problem?

	14-01-2003 05:58									#5
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Story makes me hungry.

BTW, fooker, I am very close to getting banned.

	14-01-2003 06:10									#6
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I saw a document about that situation. It was ironic, there were special forces outside this house, and in the house were people who were also in hunger strike, showing solidarity to prisoners, mostly ex-prisoners though. Anyway, they pretty much shot them, because they threatened to kill themselves with starvation. They pretty much attacked the house and shot everyone.

	14-01-2003 07:52									#7
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I'm not about to understate the utter horribleness of Turkish prisons, but how exactly should they be held responsible for the death of prisoners in a hunger strike, who were starving themselves of their own volition?

And, as a related issue, it is clear that the armed overthrow of a government is a crime in any state, including enlightened ones like Greece. So where do you draw the line between actually overthrowing the government, and being part of a group that advocates the armed overthrow of the government? Being part of a political party clearly cannot be a crime, but conspiracy to overthrow the government is. When does one become the other?

	14-01-2003 08:09									#8
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Ozlem Turk, 27, starved to death Saturday after fasting for 471 days, the group Ozgur Tayad said. The hunger strikers take vitamins and sugared water to prolong their fast. Human rights groups allege the protesters are also force-fed.

So you're objecting to the authorities allowing him to starve to death? Or to the force-feeding to stop him from starving?
Which is it?

	14-01-2003 08:12									#9
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These guys are a threat to subway!

	14-01-2003 08:52									#10
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It doesn't matter. Paiktis, like many Greeks, has a deep and abiding hatred for Turkey. He's only posting this because the story criticizes Turkey.

	14-01-2003 08:58									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka These guys are a threat to subway!

You have Jared in Finland? Man you all have been Coca-colonized. Just tell Colon to note the convergence evidence.

	14-01-2003 09:01									#12
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Jared? Hmm.. I don't know what that is. But yeah sure, we are Coca-colonized pretty badly . What is Jared? If it's good food, I hope they come here fast.

	14-01-2003 09:05									#13
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Subway is a franchised sandwich store. I work at one. They're okay as far as fast food goes, but nothing special.

	14-01-2003 09:06									#14
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I know what subway is, we have subway too .
I was thinking about what Jared is..

	14-01-2003 09:19									#15
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I think he's the guy in their current spate of ads. Lost a hundred kilo's or so eating subways IIRC.

He's probably not good eating though Pekka.

	14-01-2003 09:22									#16
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How is that even possible? Did they ad heroin in his sandwiches?

	14-01-2003 09:29									#17
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You don't take hard drugs?
I thought you were Finnish.

	14-01-2003 09:31									#18
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No I don't even drink alcohol anymore, or drink coffee for that matter. I have poisoned my body enough already.
The only way I can see the guy loosing weight with subway diet is not eat the food.

	14-01-2003 09:45									#19
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That basically what he did. The Subway diet relies on eating about 1000 calories a day. It doesn't matter what you're eating at that point, most people will lose weight eating that little.

It's roughly one fourth what most Americans eat, IIRC.

	14-01-2003 09:57									#20
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Sounds reasonable.

	14-01-2003 11:24									#21
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I have a hard time feeling sorry for some commie who intentionally starves himself to death. I'm sure he didn't like jail but dieing to get media attention doesn't sound so good to me.

	14-01-2003 14:40									#22
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There' no way I'm going to defend Turkish prisons, but here's what the issue is:

Turkishs prisons currently house prisoners in facilities that resemble army barracks (i.e., large groups housed together in big rooms); they want to shift to prisons with 2-man cells. They want to make this shift because they claim that the current system essentially allows criminal groups to control the prisons; this appears to be true. The prisoners say they oppose the shift because smaller cells will make torture easier; this also appears to be true.

So there's your rock and hard place: which is more important, the state's need to control its prisons and prisoners, or the prisoners' right to not be tortured? (Obviously, the real solution is for Turkey to stop practicing torture, but that hasn't happened yet -- though the new government is attempting serious reforms in that area.)

Discuss.

	14-01-2003 15:58									#23
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smaller cells, no torture. me thinks.

	14-01-2003 16:20									#24
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I think Azazel is on to a possible solution to the Turkish question.

	14-01-2003 16:41									#25
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But as Rufus says, this is not one of the options.

	14-01-2003 18:26									#26
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cant we just drop criminals into a big pit with various hillbilly instruments?

	14-01-2003 19:03									#27
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quote: Originally posted by GP You have Jared in Finland? Man you all have been Coca-colonized. Just tell Colon to note the convergence evidence.

Don't underestimate Jared. He has a mad fadeaway jumper.