14-01-2003 04:46									#1
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quote: Laws have been enacted to bring the Commonwealth of Ghengland into compliance with the United Nations "UN taxation ban" resolution.

When did the UN ban taxes? How will the UN get its funding? This is just flat out stupid. Why are UN countries banned from collecting taxes from their citizens? (I realize that's not what the bill says but the telegram makes it sound that way.)

Can we form a "League of Nations" to go kick the UN's butt?

I hereby announce that Ghengland is looking for other nations in Apolyton to ally itself with that are militant and capitalist to so form a Militant Capitalist Alliance to guide Apolyton and the "ignorant" UN members towards a civilized world order.





So help us God. (almost forgot that part)

	14-01-2003 05:23									#2
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Before you go on a crusade against the world peace organisation we so dearly love and hate at the same time...

The resolution was about banning UN taxes, in other words, we banned the UN from taxing our citizens directly.

A resolution that would ban all taxing in the world would never make it through the delegatory selection. The people suggesting it and believing such a thing would pass would be the laughing stock of the world.

	14-01-2003 06:21									#3
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Kassiopeia is right. Individual nations are still allowed to collect taxes from their citizens. The UN, as an international body, is not allowed to directly tax individual members of sovereign states or sovereign states.

The UN will receive funds the way it always has, through unsolicited contributions from its member states.

	14-01-2003 07:40									#4
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i announce my support for the militant capitalist alliance...

	14-01-2003 10:48									#5
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Apparently no one fully read my post. I mentioned that I realized that the resolution didn't take away our power to tax our citizens but the telegram informing us of the passage of the resolution phrased it that way.

Which was a real shock to those who hadn't read the resolution previously.

	14-01-2003 10:55									#6
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I too think this is the most stupidist thing I have ever heard. How the hell are you suppost to fund anything without taxes?? The United States of Jackson here by wish to join this alliance, allthough we are a peacefull nation. We have recently found large deposites of Uranium and soon nuclear weapons. In fact we are not a member nation of the UNited Nations etheir, so thankfull we do not have to follow such a stupid law.

	14-01-2003 10:56									#7
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I too realize we can still tax on our own, but how will UN get its money??

	14-01-2003 16:17									#8
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That's their problem, and now that Tupan is struggling to develop its economy, I'm not worried about that, despite being a UN member.

President Alex N.M., Republic of Tupan.

	14-01-2003 16:20									#9
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Apparently no one fully read my post. I mentioned that I realized that the resolution didn't take away our power to tax our citizens but the telegram informing us of the passage of the resolution phrased it that way. Which was a real shock to those who hadn't read the resolution previously.

Ummm... whoops.

The UN can't get money directly from our citizens, but I gather we will pay membership fees instead.

	14-01-2003 16:34									#10
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The Holy Empire of Sheepsta, and the Lord Protector pledges his nation to the worth cause of this alliance. DOWN WITH THE UNITED NATIONS!

	14-01-2003 22:43									#11
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I'm pondering the creation of a United States of Apolyton (USA) with the goal of being a dominant world superpower (like the RL USA) and attempting to turn the UN into our puppet plaything. If it doesn't want to be our plaything then we kill it.

Each of our nations would be a state but the government would be more like the original USA where the states were loosely allied independents.

The actual USAp would join the UN from some nonplaying person's email and we would elect a President who post 3-day polls on the issues the nation is given.

Each of the memberstates votes on the issue and thus we as a group determine the USA's agenda.

	15-01-2003 01:20									#12
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you mean kind of like having a regional delegate?

i like this resolution. i would have resigned from the UN if they tried to tax my citizens directly

	15-01-2003 01:56									#13
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We wouldn't give our support to another player we would have a United Player that we all have some control over by voting as memberstates of the Union.

Then we would have Militaristic States and Pacifist States that can excel at their agendas while projecting more power as a whole.

That's the secret behind the real US, its really 50 seperate nations who all work together making them a global superpower.

	15-01-2003 10:16									#14
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Sounds good to me, GhengisFarb. Count me in supporting the USAp.

	15-01-2003 10:19									#15
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how do you plan on bringing this off?

	15-01-2003 11:19									#16
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The United States of Jackson supports this idea as well.

	15-01-2003 11:23									#17
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i've seen less detailed plans before, but not many

	15-01-2003 11:34									#18
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The Holy Empire of Sheepsta, while friendly to the new USA, will decline to join it.

	15-01-2003 12:46									#19
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in view of our current agreements with other nations, at this time United States of Jackson can not become part of the United States of Apolyton.

	15-01-2003 17:48									#20
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The Commonwealth of Akiria also declines to join the USAp. As a region, we are already allied. I would agree to an alliance on the EU nature, in which we stay as seperate nations, with seperate agendas, and no federal government, but my people feel they will lose national identity and overall power in Akiria if we join a USAp. We believe that no nation should have any direct power on anothers domestic policy, which would be impossible with a USAp, in the USA style of government.

	16-01-2003 04:34									#21
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower i've seen less detailed plans before, but not many

The idea is for this to be OUR nation not mine or any one other state's nation.

I kind of envision it like a Democracy game with each memberstate (our individual nations) having one Senator (each of us) who votes on the USA's choice on its policies.

Each policy would be placed in a new poll thread in this forum and each of us votes, at the close of the poll (3 days) the acting President (who I assume will be elected by the memberstates) endorses the decision of the poll.

Think of the pop of the USA as the citizens of the District of Columbia and each of us as seperate states similiar to the original USA before the Constitution. They were autonomous and allowed to raise their own militias, impose their own taxes and enact their own laws.

	16-01-2003 04:45									#22
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East Yorkshire has observed this borgeoisie imperialist gesturing and is not impressed. It will have no part of this scheme.

	16-01-2003 05:12									#23
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hey now, we don't the U.N. taxing our dissident citizens. they don't like that.

The citizens are more likely to comply with income taxes going to the goverment. And elected officials dictating how much goes to the U.N.

	16-01-2003 15:29									#24
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GhengisFarb,

I'll think about it...

My new nation is a "Capitalist Paradise"

	16-01-2003 21:58									#25
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Ghengis, I agree!

My state has gone from Moralistic Democracy to Iron Fist Consumers, as apparantly I have outlawed elections, (though I never did so) so I suppose I won't leave you with my customary "In The Name of God" today.

	16-01-2003 22:01									#26
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I left the UN because their resolutions do more harm than good.

	17-01-2003 00:53									#27
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I haven't even JOINED the U.N.

	17-01-2003 02:03									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin I left the UN because their resolutions do more harm than good.

i figured they would, which is why i didn't join in the first place