14-01-2003 22:05									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin quote: Finally: take the Emancipation Proclamation out. America was late among Western countries in outlawing slavery. I was thinking that, but then weren't they far and away the largest user of slaves? I think Universal Suffrage would be a better choice, but that is again no one nation or event.

You're soooooo Eurocentric. What about Brazil? Slavery continued until the 1880s. Today half the population is black, so you can imagine how many slaves Brazilians owned at the time of emancipation.

	14-01-2003 22:07									#62
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Either gunpowder or the internal combustion engine.

	14-01-2003 22:07									#63
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I nominate 1945- the detonation of the atomic bomb, an event which has shaped world diplomacy ever since,and will continue to shape world diplomacy for the forseeable future.

	15-01-2003 03:09									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove You're soooooo Eurocentric. What about Brazil? Slavery continued until the 1880s. Today half the population is black, so you can imagine how many slaves Brazilians owned at the time of emancipation.

If you look, the quote is in reference to western powers. Is Brazil a western power?

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It's certainly western (if the US is, Brazil is.)

	15-01-2003 03:11									#66
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uh.

where's Panzer? Wasn't this his project? I don't think he's posted any updated list yet.

	15-01-2003 03:29									#67
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Congress of Vienna is way more important that Waterloo, which is essentially a non-event. Vienna set up a political system in europe that lasted a century.

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im here. Haven't been on since last night... compiling a new list now...

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Here is a list of my semi-final choices. There are 25 here, so if you suggest one, then suggest one that isn't that important to take off.

I didn't include Japan/China. One reason is because this is a eurocentric (nice word ) course, and another reason is because I would have to write them up and I don't think I would do that well.

The write up is mainly how this event changed the course of history (and was thus important)

1607 1st British N. American colony established at Jamestown
1609 Galileo proves Copernicus' heliocentric theory
1641 Charles I of England beheaded
1648 Treaty of Westphalia
1661 Louis XIV begins to centralize his power
1701 Jethro Tull invents seeding drill
1776 The USA declared independance from Britain (or maybe Jefferson drafts Dec of Ind)
1782 James Watt improves steam engine
1793 Louis XVI beheaded
1799 Napoleon seizes power
1814 Congress of Vienna decides Europe's future
1833 Factory Act (Britain)
1833 Abolition bill (Britain)
1848 Marx writes the Communist Manifesto
1859 Darwin: The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection
1860 Etienne Lenoir developes commercially viable internal combustion engine
1878 Pasteur - "Germ Theory and it's Application to Medicine and Surgery."
1903 Wright Brother's 1st flight
1917 October Revolution in Russia
1919 Treaty of Versailles
1933 Hitler comes to power
1945 First atomic bomb used on Hiroshima
1945 Development of ENIAC
1957 Launch of Sputnick
1991 Collapse of communism, USSR - end of cold war

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I would replace "1961 Yuri Gargarin - 1st man in space" with "launch of Sputnik". It came as such a surprise and it led to the whole man-in-space contest.

I would add "discovery of first extra-solar planet", but I'm not sure what to replace. Perhaps "1641 Charles I of England beheaded".

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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 I didn't include Japan/China. One reason is because this is a eurocentric (nice word ) course, and another reason is because I would have to write them up and I don't think I would do that well.

Argh!

Blasphemy!!!

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Well, what is the name/nature of the course?

	15-01-2003 06:03									#72
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The course title is "World History: The West and the World"; the old title is "Modern Western Civilization".

None of the content was changed when the name was changed... . Also, I'm not as interested with China...

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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 "World History: The West and the World"

That's about as Eurocentric as you can get!!

Oh well.

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I don't believe the execution of the 'man of blood' Charles I, is as important as his trial. Kings and Queens had been removed before, by fair means and foul (Edward II and Richard II, Mary Stuart).

The principle established, that a monarch, especially one who claimed, or sought, Divine Right of Kings to legitimate personal rule without Parliament, could then be tried by Parliament (if you like, the people) for treason against the state, is the revolutionary event.

http://www.wwnorton.com/nael/nto/17...itics/trial.htm

20 January 1649

In political terms, the Putney Debates of 1647 clearly foreshadow the ideals, concepts underpinning the American Revolution:

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/foun...s/v1ch15s1.html

You might also consider:

publication of the Authorized version of the King James Bible, and the final revision of the Book of Common Prayer-

King James Bible: 1611

Book of Common Prayer: 1662

Both these texts are instrumental in the dissemination and establishment of the English language worldwide. Without these two works (and Shakespeare) the global reach of English would be neither as profound nor as widespread. Credit should however be given to both Miles Coverdale and William Tyndale who were persecuted for attempting to translate the Bible into English before such an act was given the royal imprimatur.

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I'd strongly reccomend having something on the collapse of the Ottoman rule in east Europe. The removal of the OE as one of the great powers was an extremely big event.

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quote: Originally posted by ranskaldan That's about as Eurocentric as you can get!! Oh well.

So? The world moves to the Wests desires. If, as the title of the book implies ("World History: The West and the World"), the focus of the course is the rise of the West and it's impact upon the world, then wouldn't it, by definitition and by necessity, be "eurocentric"?

You're getting all worked up over nothing. But, the fact remains that the rise of the West IS the defining story of the past millennium, and the fact remains that this is a world that still increasingly moves to Western impulses and desires. Even China, a society as fiercely resistant to foreigners as any, has adopted Marxism, a system of thought devised by a German Jew who analyzed working conditions in English factories and never went west of Prussia in his life.

If the history is Eurocentric, that's because the modern world is.

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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi I'd strongly reccomend having something on the collapse of the Ottoman rule in east Europe. The removal of the OE as one of the great powers was an extremely big event.

I was thinking along the same lines, but with their removal of ambition in central europe as the focal point instead (they had eastern european possessions well into the twentieth century, after all, and by some accounts still do ). Their defeat by the Austrians at the battle of Zenta and subsequent loss of Hungarian territories in 1697 effectively killed off Turkish attempts to establish themselves as a european power.

Another event I'd consider very significant was the move from Moscow to St. Petersburg of the Russian Capital in 1712, as the focal point of Russia becoming a Great European Power. Either that or one of the battle of Poltava (you do need more battles) in 1709 or the treaty of Nystad/Nistadt in 1721, both of which have the added advantage of signalling the death of one great power (Sweden) in favour of another.

	15-01-2003 19:07									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed Congress of Vienna is way more important that Waterloo, which is essentially a non-event. Vienna set up a political system in europe that lasted a century.

How about the Battle of Leipzig in 1813? Napoleon had a chance of defeating the allied powers right up until this battle. After the battle his main army was smashed and as the allies began to close in on France he was given no breathing space to form another.