14-01-2003 19:05									#31
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Tass,

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	14-01-2003 19:13									#32
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this is the dirrty ad....


please tell me you or your son havent seen "worse"... well... everywhere....

	14-01-2003 19:15									#33
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glad you're helping Zopper

	14-01-2003 19:15									#34
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Hehe that is pretty tame.

	14-01-2003 19:18									#35
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First of all, I will say this: If Tass' son has some kind of problems with this ad, then by all means remove it. Noone should have to experience personal problems from seeing and ad at 'poly. But ultimately, this is Markos' decision.

But I will also add this: It never ceases to amaze me how sexfrightened some people are. Even the slightest hint of bare skin, or even the merest mention of anything remotely related to sex, and people go all nuts and crazy. Sorry but I just don't get it. Day in and day out the news are full of people who are killed, maimed or otherwise touched by one of the countless conflicts that are in existance all over the world. But this behavior is accepted with nothing more then a shrug, and maybe slight anger if the situation touches one self.

The situation is the same in movies. Violence is all to accepted in movies today. In most parts of the world it is okay for children to witness people killing eachother, but only 1 (one!!) bare breast and the movies get slapped with a PG rating

I'll say this: It is my firm conviction that violence has killed a lot more people than sex. And no: I do not believe that the ad in question is pornography.

To Tass, I'll say this: It would make me a very happy man, if you answered this post with something akin to: "I pose the same restrictions on my son with regards to violence, as with regards to sex."

But knowing the world as it is, you probably don't do that.

Then again, I know neither you nor your son, so perhaps....

Asmodean

	14-01-2003 19:23									#36
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you know, i would remove it instantly if i had an explanation on why this complaint comes after all this time(the ad is running since the end of november) and why the words "evil" and "porn" are used to describe it.....

if it's "evil" and "porn" i should have goten a mail on day 1....

	14-01-2003 19:29									#37
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Well it's not evil or porn. Tass has his reasons for disliking it however........so the question is do you remove ads just because someone doesn't like them? I would have to say no.

	14-01-2003 19:33									#38
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it would be easier to respect someone's dislikes, if they were presented in a more logical way

right now, i'm not sure if tass is serious or not.....

	14-01-2003 19:41									#39
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If he is truely being serious, he shouldn't allow the internet into his home, and should get rid of any TV's in his house, and never allow his son outside, because there is nothing wrong with that banner. The Disney Channel shows women in similar undress...

	14-01-2003 19:56									#40
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Better watch out for those Victoria's Secret ad's on the major Networks then.

By almost any definition of pornography, that's not porn and if your son has these problems, maybe you should do something more than just hide it. Also, does that ad really show up that often? I saw it for the first time today when I was checking out a news item, other than that I've never seen it.

	14-01-2003 20:05									#41
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I agree totally with Asmodean on this one. This is especially true in the US. A film will be bashed if it shows nudity or a sex scene but nobody will talk about senseless violence that is partly glorified! Now most normal people can relate and actually experience the former but despise and avoid the latter in real life so why don't we accept that fact in our ads, movies, etc.

So long...

	14-01-2003 20:58									#42
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Nothing offensive about that ad, it just sucks
Anyway, since people here seem to like it, I say keep it.

	15-01-2003 01:02									#43
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Does anyone feel like trying to stick

127.0.0.1 http://apolyton.net/ads/471-a.gif

into their C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts file? It might work.

	15-01-2003 01:24									#44
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Sorry, but I really don't see anything wrong with this ad.

Mayby the other way around is true, people who find this ad offensive are probably the ones with a sick mind.

Just my very humble opinion...

	15-01-2003 02:59									#45
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Argh! Now its a "Lets insult tass because he believes that if his son becomes closed with an ad and begins obsessing about its problem an ad should be taken down"?!?!?!?!

quote: Mayby the other way around is true, people who find this ad offensive are probably the ones with a sick mind.

Ok then, I have a sick mind. Wanting to help my children is SUCH a crime....

quote: Better watch out for those Victoria's Secret ad's on the major Networks then.

Yes I do. An immediate change of channel follows such an ad if my son is in the room.

quote: If he is truely being serious, he shouldn't allow the internet into his home,

Why not? The internet is possibly the EASIEST thing to censor for this type of thing.

quote: and should get rid of any TV's in his house,

But why? Again, such channels aren't allowed and if a commercial comes up while he is in the room, the channel changes. Its just that simple.

quote: and never allow his son outside,

Utah is quite tame for these type of things, but there are some places even here and it will be his responsibility to steer clear of those things. However coming into my room shouldn't be something he should feel the need to steer clear of (Or if he doesnt have the strength, immediately come into).

quote: it would be easier to respect someone's dislikes, if they were presented in a more logical way

Ok, looking after your son is illogical however I'm still going to do it and dont you dare ask me not to. THAT would be illogical indeed.

quote: Well it's not evil

ANYTHING that harms my children is evil.

quote: or porn.

Ok, lets look at the defintion of porn. I searched it up, but it said look at pornography. Here it is:

quote: por·nog·ra·phy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pôr-ngr-f) n. Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.

Ok, well I highly doubt this is just a casual ad. In fact, considering there is no WATER, there is no BEACH, and in fact the woman is in a....well, position AND "The perfect gift for her" is a teddy bear, this definately fits that defintion.

So yes, it is porn.

quote: you know, i would remove it instantly if i had an explanation on why this complaint comes after all this time

Here you go: When the ad started I disliked it however I can tolerate it. However as of late its been coming up a bit more and my son has become involved in it. At first I thought it was just going to be one time and he would never see such things again (he was past it, i thought). But then I gained rational thought, and decided to do this.

quote: To Tass, I'll say this: It would make me a very happy man, if you answered this post with something akin to: "I pose the same restrictions on my son with regards to violence, as with regards to sex."

Your right, I dont do that and heres why:

My son can tolerate violence. He has the ability and maturity to tolerate most levels of violence. There are some I dont think hes fit for yet, but in time he will be.

However right now hes not fit for this type of sexuality. That much is quite apparent. As per his psychologists recommendation, I am trying to introduce him to these things a bit more slowly, HOWEVER...This does not quite fit into my plan.

So in essence, I'll show him "socially" acceptable levels of violence because I know he can tolerate it. However I wont show him what I suppose is "socially" accepted levels of sexuality because he CANT handle it yet.

quote: please tell me you or your son havent seen "worse"... well... everywhere....

Ok: We haven't seen worse, well, everywhere.

quote: Walk down the beach anytime anywhere and you see a lot more than on that tiny ad

Except its in a beach setting. Now hes reaching puberty, of course hes going to look at the women there. BUT their not going out of their way to cause the type of sexual arousal that comes with the ad. (Well...most of them at least. But we dont go to such beaches )

quote: By almost any definition of pornography, that's not porn

Try again.

My god, I feel like I'm being ganged up because I don't give in to American SEX CULTURE.

	15-01-2003 03:07									#46
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If you don't like it, change your (Apolyton) style so that you don't see banner-adds anymore.

It is much easier to change your browser to suit your specific situation than to expect to change Apolyton for everyone.

	15-01-2003 03:10									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns If you don't like it, change your (Apolyton) style so that you don't see banner-adds anymore.

Never sticks. Ever. If I can get a solution, ok. I'll accept it.

quote: It is much easier to change your browser to suit your specific situation than to expect to change Apolyton for everyone.

Again: Isn't this a family site? There are websites for pornography. IRC channels. Magazines. If you want it, just go to one of those sources for it. I never quite expected such a tidal wave against removing porn from a gaming website such as poly....Its ridiculous.

	15-01-2003 03:44									#48
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But noone else accepts that it falls under the auspices of pornography.

	15-01-2003 03:46									#49
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike But noone else accepts that it falls under the auspices of pornography.

Yes...I suspect that has something to do with what you Mewicans consider culture. But thats not the issue.

It IS pornography if you go with the definition of it. It causes my son to feel uncomfortable. Therefore I want it removed.

	15-01-2003 03:51									#50
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"Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal."

Well it isn't sexually explicit, and it's primary purpose is not to cause sexual arousal.

	15-01-2003 03:56									#51
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*Sigh*

I'm beginning to see that NOTHING i say is going to convince you that it should be taken down. The behavior I've seen in this thread is incredibly disturbing and with the exception of a few posters, is NOT what I expected at all. I thought most people at Apolyton has slihghtly higher moral standards. I suppose I shouldn't have expected it to be as such....

My original request stands: Close the thread.

	15-01-2003 04:02									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 *Sigh* I'm beginning to see that NOTHING i say is going to convince you that it should be taken down. The behavior I've seen in this thread is incredibly disturbing and with the exception of a few posters, is NOT what I expected at all. I thought most people at Apolyton has slihghtly higher moral standards. I suppose I shouldn't have expected it to be as such.... My original request stands: Close the thread.

Hey hey, all the vast majority have done here is disagree with you on a hugely subjective moral standard........that shouldn't be so disturbing to you.

To my mind it is just Mark/Dan's call whether to remove an ad on the basis of one objection.

	15-01-2003 04:03									#53
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Hey hey, all the vast majority have done here is disagree with you on a hugely subjective moral standard........that shouldn't be so disturbing to you.

Because I'm drained of energy, i'll just say one cliche:

Come on, do it for the children!

*Goes to listen to anthems*

	15-01-2003 04:24									#54
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OH PLEASE... I think it sums it up nicely that only you think it's pornography. I'm a good parent, and I see NOTHING wrong with that ad. Stop trying to cram your puritan morality down everybody else's throat.

As I said, if an ad or avatar was to be removed because a single person found it offensive, your avatar would have been gone a long time ago. Since people have to put up with your avatar, you can put up with a single non offensive banner ad. To date, I've received over 10 complaints about your avatar as being offensive... yet only one person is complaining about the ad.

	15-01-2003 04:26									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Ming OH PLEASE... I think it sums it up nicely that only you think it's pornography. I'm a good parent, and I see NOTHING wrong with that ad. Stop trying to cram your puritan morality down everybody else's throat. As I said, if an ad or avatar was to be removed because a single person found it offensive, your avatar would have been gone a long time ago. Since people have to put up with your avatar, you can put up with a single non offensive banner ad. To date, I've received over 10 complaints about your avatar as being offensive... yet only one person is complaining about the ad.

As usual ming, you dont bother to read WHY I want it removed.

And for the last time, close the damn thread.

	15-01-2003 04:27									#56
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Okay, I read the first 10 posts and then skipped through the thread[b] because it [b]looked like it was turning into something boring, dull, and repetitive, so I'll get it out now:

If you think this is pornography, then...uh...can't think of anything witty right now. Come back later.

Discussions much worse than this have persisted in threads and chats on Poly, and virtually everyone in the world who has access to any form of media at all has seen this kind of thing enough to not be affected by it.

And btw, I've never seen it in a popup ad...wouldn't it just be easier to scroll down some, thus placing the ad out of sight when your son comes in the room?

(Note: I have bold-ized the words in this that are important for evil skimmers like me.)

	15-01-2003 04:51									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 You know the one I'm talking about. "Your girlfriend.....the perfect gift for her" banner. Why should it be removed? 1. Apolyton claims to be a family-friendly site. Sorry, but this add is not very family friendly. 2. A mod recently banned someone for posting a picture of a shirtless male. Should they ban markos for putting this add in? 3. This is personal....I dont believe in these kinds of pictures because I feel a strong connection to my wife and I believe that to look at these pictures is to violate the bond between us (I know, its one of those crazy Mormon reasons. Oh well.) 4. My son has had a problem with pornography for quite some time....him walking in just as that add pops up is not condusive to his recovery. I know, I can simply "change my style". Barring the fact I actually like Poly adds (other than this one) my style change never seems to stick. I dont want it to suddenly unstick when my son is coming in the room, OK? So I humblly request that Markos take down this add as again it is not something I believe in, and its not something that I believe a site that claims to be "Family friendly" would put up.

You have been living in Utah far, far too long.

ACK!

	15-01-2003 05:06									#58
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My, my... I walk almost every day through the shopping galleries in Milan and all I can see are obscene ads representing naked women masturbating on a bidet, eating sausages, stabbing men wrapped in leather and licking their fingers. Nobody finds this vulgar, figure out if a blonde chick and a teddy bear could offend someone

	15-01-2003 05:08									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 Never sticks. Ever. If I can get a solution, ok. I'll accept it.

Mine has stuck for, oh, a year and a half now.

Did you change styles from the apolyton forum main page, or did you do it through the more permanent control panel change?

Control Panel -> Options -> Style Set
Submit Modifications and your problem is gone. (Unless 'Poly logs you out, but while you are logged in you will most likely never see the add again)

	15-01-2003 05:23									#60
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sigh....

just for the (whatever) chance that this is actually serious for you, the ad will be gone in the next few minutes....