15-01-2003 02:55									#1
	Airbags and Seatbelts Don't Make You Safer Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

They simply make you take more risks. Their advent has probably caused driving to worsen.

Disagree?

Well then, consider this. Do you think you'd drive as you usually do, or safer, if you had a dagger sticking at you from the centre of your steering wheel?

Thus airbags and seatbelts make people take bigger risks.

Discuss.

	15-01-2003 03:02									#2
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I would drive in the reverse gear all the time.

	15-01-2003 03:02									#3
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Can you show any correlation between increased safety measures and reckless driving, and if so can you show a causal link?

	15-01-2003 03:17									#4
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Jaakko you didnt answer the question

How would you drive if you had a knife strapped to the steering wheel?

	15-01-2003 03:22									#5
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion Jaakko you didnt answer the question How would you drive if you had a knife strapped to the steering wheel?

But you would stab yourself as you accelerate! laws of motion: your body will try to remain at rest as the knife is apporaching you!


I would drive from the passenger side. and extend my left foot over to the gas pedal.

	15-01-2003 03:40									#6
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion Jaakko you didnt answer the question How would you drive if you had a knife strapped to the steering wheel?

Very, very badly.

	15-01-2003 03:42									#7
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What a load of old cobblers.

	15-01-2003 03:43									#8
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I held out for a long time. I cited those examples where people died that might have been saved if they hadn't been wearing seatbelts, and refused to use a seatbelt. (in fact, the first car I owned didn't even have seatbelts)

Then when my daughter got old enough to talk, since she wasn't allowed to ride in the car without a seat belt on, she started asking why I didn't wear one. I figured it was easier to start using it then dealing with her question. I've used one ever since.

AND I can honestly say that it has had absolutely NO effect on the way I drive. I still drive the exact same way that I have for the last 30 years. (it does change a bit depending on the abilities of the car I'm driving, but that has nothing to do with the seatbelt.)

And I've no experience with an airbag going off in my face so I don't see how that could impact my driving tendencies.

So as always, I think your statement is BS.


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knife in the steering wheel, nice diversion.

	15-01-2003 03:44									#9
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The other option is to push the pedals with your hands, and steer with your legs so that the knife goes between your legs. For vision you could either have a periscope, or a friend on the other seat could tell you which way to go.

You know, I think we just destroyed Stews argument about safe driving.

	15-01-2003 03:48									#10
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Stew of course, has lots of driving experience. Past his test two years ago and has barely driven. But of course, in his 'two years of experience' he knows it all

	15-01-2003 03:49									#11
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So how do ya like my new avatar?

	15-01-2003 03:51									#12
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What is it? Someone driving with a knife in his steering wheel?

	15-01-2003 03:52									#13
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I haven't checked OT in maybe 10 months. Then just as I decide to come back, I see Bods up to his old tricks.

Nope nothing new here...moving on

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quote: Originally posted by Jaakko You know, I think we just destroyed Stews argument about safe driving.

And this was challenging...?

At least it exercised everybody's typing abilities, so there's that going for this thread...

	15-01-2003 03:59									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison What is it? Someone driving with a knife in his steering wheel?

It's Kimura-sensei wearing a Daddy Hat.

	15-01-2003 04:08									#17
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Now this is what Stew's threads are all about - threadjacking.

	15-01-2003 04:11									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Jaakko It's Kimura-sensei wearing a Daddy Hat.

Oh, it's him. Why didn't you say so?

()

	15-01-2003 04:11									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's They simply make you take more risks. Their advent has probably caused driving to worsen. Disagree? Well then, consider this. Do you think you'd drive as you usually do, or safer, if you had a dagger sticking at you from the centre of your steering wheel? Thus airbags and seatbelts make people take bigger risks. Discuss.

I think there is an impact from this. But I think that net/net you are better off with them there. I already know that there are plenty of dangers out there. And I've had accidents before. So the seat belt doesn't have that much of an effect to make me more dangerous. But it will help me if something happends out of the blue (expecially something where my actions are irrelevant...like the other idiot hitting me.)

WRT the dagger example. Yes, I would drive more carefully with that dagger there. But would I BE safer? NO! The net/net would be to make me less safe.

	15-01-2003 04:17									#20
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If Bods doesn't want to wear a seat belt and wants to have a dagger on the dashboard/sterring wheel, then let him. Its his funeral.

	15-01-2003 04:19									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin If Bods doesn't want to wear a seat belt and wants to have a dagger on the dashboard/sterring wheel, then let him. Its his funeral.

Sounds like it would be best all round SD I'll bring the party poppers and the jelly

	15-01-2003 04:21									#22
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But what would we ever do without his contribution of such memorable trolls...?

	15-01-2003 04:25									#23
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If you think that by having an airbag, you've become immortal and do foolish stunts, then no, they don't make you safer.

What has the greatest net effect on making you safer is good maintenance of your car and of the road system. Driving with worn tyres, or without break lights is just calling for trouble.

	15-01-2003 04:40									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Oh, it's him. Why didn't you say so? ()

You didn't ask.

Just watch more anime and you'll run into him eventually.

	15-01-2003 04:43									#25
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I'll pass on that

	15-01-2003 04:43									#26
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Bods is right. When I drive in my car with seatbelts and airbags, I routinely jump gorges that I wouldn't otherwise attempt.

	15-01-2003 04:47									#27
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion Jaakko you didnt answer the question How would you drive if you had a knife strapped to the steering wheel?

Is it a steering wheel with an airbag inside?that could be dangerous whther you wear a seatbelt or not.



ACK!

	15-01-2003 04:48									#28
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Do I detect a soupcon of sarcasm there orange

	15-01-2003 04:51									#29
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What is anime?

	15-01-2003 04:55									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Do I detect a soupcon of sarcasm there orange

I'm never sarcastic.