15-01-2003 14:10									#1
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For next elections about economics and value, I'll assign a psych rate for each value ie : you can vote for
1) FM 40/20/40 or
2) Green 40/00/60
etc...

How can we set this settings up ?
I wanted to do something like many FM options with differents szettings, many Green options with different settings, many Planned options with different settings, and the choice (Green, FM or Planned) with the most votes is elected -- or the two runner up if one dont have 50+% -- then psych allocation with the more votes is applied -- or the two runner up if one dont have 50+%.

Or we can simply vote, and then held a second election for the psych allocation,

Or we can also have a specific psych rating to represent each category.

What are your suggestions ?

	15-01-2003 14:20									#2
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Specific Psych Ratings for each category, decided before the main election. Otherwise you're just going to have too many split votes.

	15-01-2003 19:20									#3
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I would say decide the economic system first, and argue in that about what psych rating suits each (ie. FM with 20% psych is better than pure FM) and then do a second poll for psych, econ and research levels. Otherwise it becomes too big a poll.

	15-01-2003 19:25									#4
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I agree with Drogue

	15-01-2003 21:17									#5
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to drogue`s idea

	15-01-2003 21:25									#6
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to archaic's idea (don't kill me )

How many psych/eco/lab settings are really acceptable?

FM 50/0/50 is almost impossible with all the drone riots, right?
And other extremes like 80/0/20 will have penalties.

We could use this thread to decide on rates.

	15-01-2003 21:39									#7
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AFAIK it's only 2 days and some hours to the next turn chat, so there wouldn't be time for 2 polls (Econ choice first, then e/p/l ratio). As such I think it should be done all in one. Perhaps it could be a multi-part poll:

1) FM
1) Planned
1) Green (when we get the tech, or should this be an option at this point?)
2) If FM: 50/0/50
2) If FM: 40/20/40
3) If Planned: 50/0/50
3) If Planned: (some other option)
4) If Green: 50/0/50
4) If Green: (some other option)

Including write-in and Xenobanana votes could make for a very large poll, but I suppose it could be split into seperate threads if necessary.

It would be better, however, if we could do as Archaic suggests and decide beforehand which ratio would be used for which econ choice. 40/20/40, for example, seems to be the only seriously advocated way of running an FM.

	15-01-2003 23:18									#8
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Cedayon's idea is actually the best, but it is unconstituional, since there cannot be a multiple option enable in a DoSE poll -- cf Drogue's amendment.

Anyway, we still have plenty of time till the next poll, since we probably wont discover Green before 25/01 IMHO.

I think Drogue's idea is still the more democratic, cause every citizen should be able to vote for the psych ratio, even those who dont support the economic system that results of the poll, not only those who support the winning economic system.
We could be as democratic as Drogue's system with Archaic's system, though we'd have to hold 4 elections instead of two.

	15-01-2003 23:26									#9
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I'm not sure it's the best to poll choices first, sliders then. What if I advocate Green but only with 40/0/60, otherwise I would vote for, let's say, Planned?

	15-01-2003 23:35									#10
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Indeed, the best way would be to have all differents Economics and all different energy allocation for each economic choice, poll it, and make a final with the runners up.

	16-01-2003 06:29									#11
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quote: Anyway, we still have plenty of time till the next poll, since we probably wont discover Green before 25/01 IMHO.

Yes, we will. We'll be discovering it in 5 turns, and the turnchat will go for 7.

Anyway, I don't see what's wrong with Cedayon's proposal; nowhere in the constitution does it prohibit the DoSE from posting multiple choice polls.

	16-01-2003 06:52									#12
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus nowhere in the constitution does it prohibit the DoSE from posting multiple choice polls.

Apparently an amendment was made to that effect... could someone post a link to that, as I can't find it in the Constitution thread? More to the point, could someone point me at any other amendments/rules/such that aren't in the Constitution thread (or the other stickies)? I really don't have time to read through all 7 pages of this forum

And if multiple-choice polls are out, my proposal could be done with 4 seperate polls (ie seperate threads), I realize this would be kinda cumbersome, but if it'd work...

Btw, how often are there supposed to be polls for SE choices? Every turnchat? Every other one?

	16-01-2003 07:32									#13
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Discussion thread beforehand. We go through each SE choice and decide on possible combinations. Hopefully only psych will need to be discussed there, as science and energy are really different matters.
Then poll on the different nominated combinations.

Could this work?

	16-01-2003 15:29									#14
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I think thats the best thing to do : discuss it for a while, then do three polls for which psych rate will represent each energy allocation.

quote: The Drogue Amendment All polls to change social engineering settings should be in this format: Poll: *Single choice *Only names options (Must include current setting) *Abstain option (Or Xenobanana) *Write-in-option *Open 3 days minimum First post: *Further explanation of question (if needed) *Only names options *Link to discussion thread *Expire date. If this poll gives a clear majority (50+%) to one option, then that option is put into place. If not then there is to be a ‘head to head’ poll in this format: Poll: *Name the two highest scoring options from above poll (if two are equal second, the Director of Social Engineering can choose which one goes through) *Abstain option (Or Xenobanana) *Write-in-option *Open 3 days minimum First post: *Further explanation of question (if needed) *Only names options *Link to discussion thread *Expire date.

	16-01-2003 15:33									#15
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Well, it would seem then that DBTS didn't apply that amendment to the constitution. Naughty, naughty

	16-01-2003 15:36									#16
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Indeed.

	16-01-2003 19:58									#17
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Yes, I did ask DBTS to amend it. Can he (or GT if you have enough mod powers) amend it now?

	17-01-2003 05:06									#18
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I can't - I'm not allowed to edit posts. DBTS can, of course, as it was his post.