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Aidun
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The Hague, the capital of the civilized world
Nov 2002
time: 06:25
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A boy travelled through the mountains from Pamplona to Madrid.. It was winter. Snow had begun falling. The bare peaks of the Eneres Mountains were covered with snow. The giants of old that protected the Spanish people for so long against hostile tribes still guarded the plains before Madrid. The path was narrow. Below him, the Rio Taje was running fast through the deep chasm. He halted for a moment. The snow was hindering the sight and the clouds made the path no longer visible. Then, suddenly, unexpected, a cry breasted the air. The boy pressed himself against the cold wall behind him. His mind became filled with terror. Again the cry breasted the air and echoed through the chasm. What caused that cry that sounded so terrible? He had never heard such a sound. An old spirit from the dawn of the world? He had heard tales about it in Pamplona. The old men had told him stories when he was in the inn with his father. He didn't believe in them, but now he doubted. Still frightened he stood up and listed carefully. It was getting darker. Soon the sun would go down behind the clouds and he should have to sleep along the path in the snow. He knew that if I wouldn't walk along, he would die of the cold. No choice was left to him, cry or no cry, he had to go on. Slowly he stepped forward, handling the wall with his hand. Snow crackled under his boots. As sudden as they had come up, the clouds opened and showed him the way down. The last sunbeams lighted the peaks in pink and orange light. The day was at end. Aidun went on in the twilight. Silence fell over the land. The black shapes of the rocks were had to recognize, but Aidun kept on going. The moon rose and softly lit the nightly world. Before him the path bended around a large rock. He passed the rock and saw the moonlit landscape before him. Suddenly he felt a heavy blow against his chest and fell in the snow. He ached in every limb. A small thin spear sticked out of his chest, just under his left shoulder. Horrified he gazed at the thin trail of blood running over his chest into th white snow. He heard footsteps approaching. Three men clad in skins appeared. They talked a bit in an unintelligible language and then bowed over him. Before he knew what was going to happen he lied in the snow, naked and shivering with cold, too weak to even lift op his own body. The snow around was coloured red of the blood. Aidun knew he was going to die. He closed his eyes and opened them again, perhaps for the last time. He was aware that a sharp light was shining upon him. Then he heard a voice. It seemed far away and nearby as well. "Do not fear my son. Thou shalt not die at this cold bare place. Stand up and go on with thy journey, no dangers shall overcome thee for thou art my servant from this moment. Be my priest and tell all thine kindred of what happened to thee. Bring this message to thy king: he shall receive my blessing if he bathes in the river that flows through the city of Madrid. This is thy first task." "How should I call you My lord," Aidun asked in reply and the voice answered: "My name is the almighty. Name me as thou wishes." "Then I'll name thee Luna el Salvador." "So it will be. Go now my son, they are waiting for thee." The sharp light disappeared. In astonishment he looked at his body. The wound had been healed. He stood up en continued his journey to Madrid.
So ends the tale of Aidun Cian the Younger, first priest of Luna el Salvador.
Last edited by Aidun on 16-01-2003 at 21:02
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Aidun
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The Hague, the capital of the civilized world
Nov 2002
time: 06:25
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Mysticism is the tech that 'allows' natural gods: the god of the sun, the moon, the forests, the rivers, seas etc. It also 'allows' the basic gods of heaven and hell. Sort of primitive polytheism. Polytheism is the tech which 'allows' other gods in addiation of the natural gods: the god of music, love, trade, etc, mostly non-physical things.
However: the first monotheistic religion, Judaism, was established in the time mankind believed in natural gods. Compare: the Egyptians, Babylonians, Assyrians and Hittites believed in natural gods and gods of heaven and hell.
Aidun Cian the Younger
First priest of Luna el Salvador, the almighty god
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pikesfan
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Señor Aidun, if I were you I would get your tambourine out, put on those flowing robes, and start running through the streets of Madrid shouting “Ñom” right now . In Spain, it is safer to be crazy than to be a heretic against the spirits. 
Oh yes, I have heard that in the Celtic lands certain men dress only in their trousers and shout “Bleuuuuh-aaaaah!” for some reason. That might work too.
The Esmeralda Pikesfan College of Etiquette has a tambourine if you need to borrow one.
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GeneralTacticus
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of Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2001
time: 15:25
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I understand Marcos Navarro de Tacticus, we have to prevent such charlatans of claiming to be priest and thus betraying the people.
I warn you however that if anything happens to me due to your determination, Luna el Salvador shall not be pleased and await a good chance for revenge.
Aidun Cian the Younger
First Priest of Luna el Salvador, the almighty god. |
Such is not a concern, as if your claim is true, nothing bad will happen to you.
Now, in order to perform the test, we require cup of your own blood, upon which you must swear, on your soul, that you have told the complete truth about your god and your connection to him. We shall then perform rituals to further bind you to your oath. Once we have finished, you must drink it; if you have lied, you will immediately burst into flames which nothing can quench. If not, nothing will happen.
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OliverFA
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Leeds, UK
Sep 2002
time: 06:25
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[SIZE=1]However: the first monotheistic religion, Judaism, was established in the time mankind believed in natural gods. |
IIRC judaism at first didn't denied the existence of other gods, it was after some time that it became fully monoteistic.
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Aidun
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The Hague, the capital of the civilized world
Nov 2002
time: 06:25
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Allright Marcos Navarro de Tacticus, here is a cup of my blood, I shall drink it in the moonlight in the center of Madrid so everybody can see I am the true priest of Luna el Salvador. He shall aid me to pass the test. My first diciple Juan shall also be present.
I trust in you, Marcos Navarro de Tacticus, that you shall not use any offense against me, not by magic, not by poison and no physical offense. If such sins be committed, the revenge of Luna el Salvador shall be unimaginable. Luna el Salvador shall then be Luna el Destructor del Mundo, Luna the Destroyer of the world.
Aidun Cian the Younger
First Priest of Luna el Salvador, the almighty god
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Aidun
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The Hague, the capital of the civilized world
Nov 2002
time: 06:25
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Marcos Navarro de Tacticus, I'm ready to drink the blood. The moon is shining sharply on me. Please hand over the blood.
Aidun Cian the Younger
First Priest of Luna el Salvador, the almighty god
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Aidun
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The Hague, the capital of the civilized world
Nov 2002
time: 06:25
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A crowd gathered around the High Priest and Aidun. Juan el Granjero was among them with his cousin Benicio el Pescador, Pedro Fernández and his brother Vincento Fernández, Domingo de la Peña, Carlos Arrieta, Miguel and Marcos Pérez, Pablo de la Viño, Diego Márquez, and Fernando de Pamplona. They were all friends of Aidun for years and had been tought the commandments of Luna el Salvador by Aidun after his appointment as First Priest. They were called Twelve Adeps, the ones who know the commandments.
"Listen," Aidun the Younger spoke, "the time has come for my approbiation as First Priest of Luna el Salvador our almighty god, our protector and savior in need. Let his light shine upon us, may it last for long. Have faith in your god."
And he turned to Marcos Navarro de Tacticus. "Marcos Navarro de Tacticus, most honoured and wise High Priest. I shall drink the blood that shall prove my right. Approve me as First Priest of Luna el Salvador."
Aidun the Youger drunk the blood.
Last edited by Aidun on 19-01-2003 at 05:26
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Aidun
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The Hague, the capital of the civilized world
Nov 2002
time: 06:25
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[ooc]History Guy, we'we had that discussion before. Polytheism isn't needed to have gods and monotheism isn't needed to have but one god. Look at the history: Judaism was founded before monotheism was being discovered. The Israelians had not yet reached the middle ages when Moses came up, so they couldn't have discovered monotheism already.
It is for that reason that it is just generally accepted here that one needn't to have discovered monotheism to have but one god.
Having gods while polytheism is not yet discovered:
This is more difficult and you are right that a civ can't have gods before they have 'discovered' it (a religion is founded, not discovered).
If we look at the history however, two things are important:
1. The first polytheistic relions began small: the first gods were gods of weather, the sea, the death-realm, the sun, the moon, fertility, things that directly affected the people: having enough to eat, safety, especially at sea and things they could not declare: the sun, the moon and the death. The 'natural' gods were gods of more or less physical things. After them came the other gods and it took a long time before they became worshipped. These 'non-physical' gods were the gods of hunting, war, music, trade, currency - yes, the Romans had a godess of currency: Juno, domestic issus - again the Romans: Vesta. I consider polytheism as the tech that lets us 'discover' these 'non-physical' gods. The natural gods should then be discovered when mysticism is being discovered.
Founding our first religion when we have reached mysticism can even be considered as quite late: we learned how to build a temple when we discovered ceremonial burial and in the first city: the Babylonian city of Ur stood a temple where probably gods were worshipped instead of spirits.
These two arguments seem enough to me to found a monotheistic religion at this stage of the game.
About the roleplay: Luna el Salvador is a spanish god because it has a spanish name. I could also have named him Moon the Saviour, but that's not roleplay.
Roleplaying is not replaying the spanish history. It is, first, impossible to replay the spanish history: we can only do that on a map of Europe with all the other European countries represented; Civ3 is not suitable to replay a large part of history: not all civs did start at the beginning of time, some became defeated: the Babylonians; some came up and became strong powers: England; some fought themselves independent from their mothercountry: the Dutch from Spain, the Americans and the Indians from England.
A civil war cannot occur in Civ3 while it could in Civ2 (another realistic thing that was eliminated), like the catholic church splitting in a catholic part and a reformed part. This are some examples.
If we are not re-playing, but role-playing, we should use our imagination and try to think out new things that could fit in the spanish CULTURE. This, I believe is real roleplay and that is what I'm doing and what we're all doing by having spanish names, calling ourselves señors and señoritas, using spanish geographical names, and acting like a civ in the same technological stage would do.
I'd say: let our god become the most dominant god: let us build a church like the chistian church or the islam (but is political incorrect to mention the last one): a church that dominates all other countries. We have started now, lets keep on going.[/ooc]
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