17-01-2003 12:25									#1
	2430BC - Orders, Reports & Discussion Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Feel Free to edit this first post, to consolidate the Orders

Eta Tamali

	17-01-2003 12:34									#2
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A few requests for this coming 2 turns:

1) Set the Pamplona build to something other than Settler until after Barcelona is built & the Hut is poped.

2) move the Maygar Expedition NE & NE (to the Wheat) but do not Pop the Hut until after Barcelona is built in 2 turns. After that, move him to the very end of Iwana Promatory (just named it), so that we can see as much of the Sea as is possible.

That's All I can think of for now. Thank You.

Letus Eta Tamali

	17-01-2003 15:50									#3
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Astronicus Expedition (settler) : moves South.

	17-01-2003 19:09									#4
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quote: Originally posted by E_T 1) Set the Pamplona build to something other than Settler until after Barcelona is built & the Hut is poped.

You beat me to it One question though: can we do this the same turn we pop the hut?

Also for Pamplona, the garrison should be completed this turn and can be fortified. The conscripts in the city are then free to do whatever is needed. Maybe go mix it up with GoW.

Señor OliverFA slaves are to mine the second cow, but just to clarify could they mine FIRST, before roading.

	17-01-2003 19:45									#5
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2430 BC:
Magyar Warriors move NE
Pamplona Spearmen fortifies
Bulgar Warriors go to patrol the valley?
Pamplona Q set to Temple
Setter moves S

2390 BC:
Settler founds Barcelona
Magyar Warriors move SE to hut

	17-01-2003 22:07									#6
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser One question though: can we do this the same turn we pop the hut?

You need to have it set to something other than Settler, on the turn before, so that the Game will do the proper ramdom seed for the turn that you do pop the Hut.

It's only 1 turn, and can be changed back, just as soon as the Hut is pop'ed.

E_T

	17-01-2003 22:12									#7
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We got the save.

Once again, I took a look for events of importance.

First off, our Dometic Advisor warns us that our treasury is running dangerously low. This is because Lux accepted the Iron Working for Alphabet and 25 Gold trade. So the good news is that we have Iron Working. The bad news is that we now have only 1 Gold, and at the current slider rate, will lose -1 gold per turn.

We can move the slider down, or maybe work Gold Mtn to compensate. I think the slider is the better option, but I leave that to discussion.

Also, the GoW and ND units (Warrior, Scout) continue to move into our land, southwest. See this screenshot

Oh, and the Iron resources you can see in that shot are the only Iron south of the great jungle that we can currently see. With all the mtns, hills, around Madrid and Pamplona, I was hoping for one closer, but alas, there is none.

	17-01-2003 22:23									#8
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Damn it! It is critically important that we resolve this issue among ourselves. I don't believe we have the ability to back up any threats we have made against GoW. And I some of the posts have been on the "threatening" end of the spectrum.

I'm posting this here as an alternative to threats, from the Diplomacy forum:

El Valle de los Toros represents the most arable land in the vicinity of the Spanish kingdom and, as so, also represents the most viable option for settlement in the near future. Scouting in the valley constitutes a knowledge of our homeland's defenses that we would prefer to avoid. We have made no such scouting expedition north of the jungle for that very reason and have also come to an understanding with Lux Invicta and Neu Demogyptica concerning this issue. As such, we would ask that you join us in friendship and respect and know that we shall extend you and your lands the same courtesy.

I don't think we have the ability or the stomach to follow through with threats at this point in the game, and I think they know this. Playing to their sensibilities is the only option at this point; if they don't buy into that, we should back off and let them explore.

	17-01-2003 22:33									#9
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Agreed. The problem is that it would reduce the value of our Map, when we do decide to sell it (and we get Map Making).

Eta Tamali

	17-01-2003 23:09									#10
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser I don't think we have the ability or the stomach to follow through with threats at this point in the game, and I think they know this.

Yes, but we know as well that they will not send their military units beyond ND, leaving their cities undefended. Ghengis is testing our reactions, and we must not desappoint him.

	17-01-2003 23:21									#11
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Move TEG SW

Move Pamplona warriors SW

Adjust slider so that we have 0 or a positive income

--Togas

	17-01-2003 23:34									#12
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Any orders for the Bulgar Warriors, who are no longer needed in Pamplona? I was thinking of having them head NW, to patrol cow valley for further interlopers.

	17-01-2003 23:41									#13
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We also do not have orders for the Madrid Expedition. Moving W, onto the horses just outside ND borders would uncover a bit more of their terrain.

I have already moved TEG SW - there are Gems on the mountain NW of the ND Scout.

	17-01-2003 23:55									#14
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Move Madrid West

Move the Bulger Warriors NW twice.

	17-01-2003 23:57									#15
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"There are Magyar tribes near Pamplona."

In light of this, I think we should keep the Bulgar Warriors in Pamplona for now.

Comparisons:
GoW, Lux - We are strong compared to them.
ND - We are average compared to them.

	18-01-2003 00:08									#16
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We have barbarians???

If so, we should SEND FORTH our loyal Bulger tribesmen and FIGHT these barbarians, taking their gold and strengthening our warrior group in the process.

The Spanish shall fight barbarians before they can threaten our fields and workers.

I am mostly worried about undefended Barcelona, so move the Bulgers SOUTH to check for barbarian villages.

--Togas

	18-01-2003 01:04									#17
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Sorry for the delay, I had an important phone call.

Don't have time for the usual report - here's the screenshots:

World Map
Demographics
Histograph
Scores
Madrid
Pamplona

	18-01-2003 02:53									#18
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There will be difficulties linking up the Iron. We need more workers

I think it might be a good thing to let GoW and ND snoop around a little bit. When they send the settlers in to sneak passed us and get in on the action, we can enslave them for our benefit

	18-01-2003 03:03									#19
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Those 2 iron tiles are a blessing. If we can settle them and another civ is left without iron, that civ would be in a very weak position, and we would be in a very strong one However the editor says iron has a 160% appearance ratio, which means that there could be 4 * 1.6 = 6 or 7 iron tiles on our continent, right?

	18-01-2003 03:40									#20
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If I correctly see the World screenshot, ND has iron in its borders.

	18-01-2003 09:51									#21
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I see something even better, GEMS!!!!! In our Western Territories. This gives us 4 Luxuries to start out with.

Eta Tamali

	18-01-2003 09:57									#22
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Assuming we GET to "our Western territories", yes.