18-01-2003 09:10									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I don't recall mentioning car batteries, but go ahead if you must. Just remeber that if you are electrocuted during this procedure that the statistics on out-of -hospital resuscitations are very dismal. Even if you have someone experienced in CPR present at the scene of your demise, the chance of successful resuscitation is only 10% or less. Even within a hospital your chances would be much less than 50%. Your best chance is if you are within the CCU, ICU or surgery, so if you're going to attempt to defibrillate your car I would suggest driving over to the local hospital and driving it upstairs to the Intnesive Care Unit. This won't improve the car's chances, but it will improve yours.

You forgot to tell him to make sure the battery was dry.

ACK!

	18-01-2003 09:15									#62
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Allen key? Was ist das?

You've gotta be kidding.

My father was a tool salesman for Snap-On for 25 years or so, so I grew up doing this sort of ****...

We even had discussions about why Americans don't use Robertson screws (NIH syndrome)...

	18-01-2003 09:19									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I don't recall mentioning car batteries, but go ahead if you must. Just remeber that if you are electrocuted during this procedure that the statistics on out-of -hospital resuscitations are very dismal. Even if you have someone experienced in CPR present at the scene of your demise, the chance of successful resuscitation is only 10% or less. Even within a hospital your chances would be much less than 50%. Your best chance is if you are within the CCU, ICU or surgery, so if you're going to attempt to defibrillate your car I would suggest driving over to the local hospital and driving it upstairs to the Intnesive Care Unit. This won't improve the car's chances, but it will improve yours.

How much voltage does a defib put out?

I had a friend who short-circuited a 900-volt power source for an ion gun with his arm, and he was okay (except for the blisters...)

	18-01-2003 09:20									#64
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And needless to say I've taken household current at least 3-4 times.

	18-01-2003 09:36									#65
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quote: You've gotta be kidding. My father was a tool salesman for Snap-On for 25 years or so, so I grew up doing this sort of ****... We even had discussions about why Americans don't use Robertson screws (NIH syndrome)...

I'm not kidding and I don't know what a Robertson screw is either

	18-01-2003 09:37									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger And needless to say I've taken household current at least 3-4 times.

I've been bit before also. But house current is nothing to mess with. 120/60 can kill you.

	18-01-2003 09:37									#67
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Do you know how to operate a hammer?

	18-01-2003 09:38									#68
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Maybe if it's across your chest, but across your arm or hand all it does is make you jump...

	18-01-2003 09:38									#69
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Sure, I can swing a hammer around. I doubt I'd be too accurate in terms of hitting a nail, though.

	18-01-2003 09:41									#70
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I'm not kidding and I don't know what a Robertson screw is either

The best screw ever invented. More torque than any other on the market.

http://www.tackaberrytimes.com/arti...rtson_screw.htm

Came out with it a couple years before the Phillips screw, which is inferior...

	18-01-2003 09:51									#71
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I never missed an oportunity to psyche out wargames. One of best involve a table and scewdrivers. I bought a large homenade gaming table for the humongous map game War In Europe. We bring it over on a trucl and then we are going to diassemble it, clean it up, take it into the gaming room, and put it back together. Having look it over, I had an idea what we were in for, tanking out and 60 4" long screws. I time it well and just when my two buddies are starting to wilt in the heat in my back driveway, I see my suprise go pass the driveway to park in front. Then I hear him coming around the corner into the driveway. I tell the other gamers. "You know Barrett (Lefty) always has good reserves in his pocket at the critical moments, and what we need now is MORE POWER." Then here comes one of my contractors, a huge carpenter, dripping about 30 lbs of power tools, marching up the the driveway. Got 'em again.
And needless to say, I took the oportunity to improve the table, we put back together with bolts instead of screws.

	18-01-2003 10:03									#72
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There isn't a good diagram of the screw on that site.

	18-01-2003 10:07									#74
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Robertson screws are simply square-heads...painfully simple.

	18-01-2003 10:08									#75
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It's just a square-recess, tapered a bit and pointed at the end (think of the bit as the Washington monument).

It holds on much better than even a Phillips head and, because of a new manufacturing process invented by Robertson it cost less to produce than either the Phillips or the slotted head screws. Very standard use here, but apparently not as widespread everywhere else.

	18-01-2003 10:08									#76
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http://www.advogato.org/person/dyor....html?start=257

quote: The Best Screw Ever - Get your mind out of the gutter... I'm talking about the Robertson screw, a type of screw I'd never even remotely heard of before moving north to Canada. In the U.S., there were always flat/straight/slotted/(pick your term) screws and Phillips screws (otherwise known as "that's the one with the criss-cross on it, right?) and more recently the Torx screws with their star-like pattern. But the Robertson square head? So then we buy a house in Ottawa (2 years ago) and find that many things are held in by this screw with a square impression in the head. Huh? Yes, indeed, a different type of screw. So I went out and bought a new set of Robertson screwdrivers (#1 with a green handle, #2 with a red handle and #3 with a black handle) and the associated bits for my drill. And after another weekend of doing projects where I was working with various different types of screws, I am so far down the road of being a Robertson convert... I never want to go back! My crusade now is that if I make any changes to the house, I try to do it completely with Robertson screws. Goodbye, slotted... goodbye, Mr. Phillips... It is such a vastly superior screw! Easy to go in... easy to remove. You can't really strip the heads. Plus, you can put a screw on the end of the screw driver and it will stay there while you hold the screwdriver at all sorts of different angles.... allowing you to work basically with one hand while fastening things together. Simply not possible with a slotted or Philips screwdriver. (Okay, yes, you can get one with a magnetic tip that provides a degree of help, but nothing like what a Robertson can do.) So what does this have to do with free software? At first glance, nothing, but it actually is yet another illustration that sometimes inferior technology wins. Fascinating story, really... a guy named P.L. Robertson set up his company in Milton, Ontario, in 1908. He had come up with the idea for a better type of fastner - the screw with a square indentation and applied for associated patents, etc. He was successful in Canada and tried to expand overseas in Europe... minor little details like a world war kind of got in the way... and then (according to a History channel documentary) he had a falling out with his European partners. So then came the critical failure... Henry Ford tried out the Robertson screws and found they could shave off a good two hours from the time to assemble a car. But, being Henry Ford, he wanted to control the entire supply process, so he wanted to license the design from P.L. Robertson and manufacture the screws himself. Freshly burned from his European experience (you might say he got screwed! :-), P.L. Robertson declined... and a few years later this guy named Phillips came along... who had no issue with licensing.

	18-01-2003 10:08									#77
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quote: Originally posted by orange

I agree.

But I'll humour him.

	18-01-2003 10:31									#78
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I always called them square-head screws. And yes, they're fantastic -- none of the "your screwhead is now trashed" problems with Phillips, none of the slipping problems with flat-head screws. It's also nice to be able to jam the screw onto a non-magnetized screw bit and have a reasonable chance of the thing staying in place.

	18-01-2003 11:26									#79
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Don't feel bad, Dave. I'm the same way. I have managed to put bookcases together (as many books as I have, I'd better be able to do that), but anything more complicated is way beyond me. One time my wife and I wallpapered a small bathroom. It took us six hours to put up one sheet, and six months to finish the job. That was the only time I ever tried something like that!

	18-01-2003 11:38									#80
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Yeah, I have so many books all my bookshelves are filled up and I have books basically carpeting my bedroom floor, spilling into the living room.

	18-01-2003 13:10									#81
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quote: I would probably kill myself doing some of that stuff.

Please do .

	18-01-2003 13:25									#82
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heh, doesn't sound like a half bad idea, eh?

	18-01-2003 13:27									#83
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Ah, now I know what those extra bits in my bit set are!

	18-01-2003 13:30									#84
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It is alway necessary to have a cordless drill (which is a screwdriver when you put the screw bit on)

It is the only power tool I own (I am no carpenter). But this is a necessary one to have.

	18-01-2003 16:41									#85
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Real men build their own furniture

	18-01-2003 18:09									#86
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reminds me of the lebat blue ad with the bear making a bookshelf and turning it into a beer dispenisng chair

	18-01-2003 18:13									#87
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I've built quite a few items around the house. Some of the latest pieces actually look pretty good. OTOH if I had a six-figure income I probably wouldn't have bothered with do-it-yourself furniture. Instead, since I don't turn away the poor, I'm stuck with what I make, so I guess it's do-it-yourself for me.

	18-01-2003 18:37									#88
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square on the outside or a square groove? Does the screwed-in screw rest flush? I'd still like to see some good pictures or a diagram.

	18-01-2003 20:23									#89
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Robertson screws and Allen "keys"? What the hell is going on up there in Canada? I'll keep my Phillips screws and Allen wrenches, thank you very much...

	19-01-2003 02:01									#90
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Allen wrenches == Allen keys.

Phillips screws < Robertson screws.