18-01-2003 06:16									#1
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Dell is planning on using prison labour in order to recycle it's computers, as reported in CNN:

Dell and prison labour

	18-01-2003 06:20									#2
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I laugh.

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Who the hell cares?

Don't drive a car, prison labour makes your license plates.

	18-01-2003 06:25									#4
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That will make the prison population at least somewhat productive, although the quality of Dell products could suffer.

	18-01-2003 06:27									#5
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Who cares? That money goes either to philippino kids or prison inmates

	18-01-2003 06:30									#6
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Prison labor puts people who didn't committ crimes out of work. Don't punish the innocent!

	18-01-2003 06:34									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Who the hell cares? Don't drive a car, prison labour makes your license plates.

It's one thing to have inmates performing labour for the state, it's another thing altogether for them to do work for a multi-million dollar corporation for absolutely nothing. They have the money, they can afford to pay someone to their dirty work.

PS Why should the taxpayer subsidize Dell's profit margin?

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quote: Originally posted by Willem It's one thing to have inmates performing labour for the state, it's another thing altogether for them to do work for a multi-million dollar corporation for absolutely nothing. They have the money, they can afford to pay someone to their dirty work. PS Why should the taxpayer subsidize Dell's profit margin?

Exactly which part of the article specifies that Dell is doing nothing to pay for this, and taxpayers are?

You seem to think it's slave labour...Dell pays them to work, you know.

Do you even know how this works, or are you making all this up for the sake of a troll? Tell me what part of the article says they're working "for absolutely nothing"?

	18-01-2003 06:45									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Exactly which part of the article specifies that Dell is doing nothing to pay for this, and taxpayers are? You seem to think it's slave labour...Dell pays them to work, you know. Do you even know how this works, or are you making all this up for the sake of a troll? Tell me what part of the article says they're working "for absolutely nothing"?

And I'm sure they get a fair wage for their efforts? Or do you think that minimum wage regulations apply to inmates? And it's close enough to slave labour in my view.

PS And I'm bringing this up because I feel it's wrong. I apologize for having a conscience.

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I'm 99% sure prisoners aren't forced to work.

They're offered the job, they accept or reject it on their own will...although choice is admittedly quite slim on alternatives for them.

I'm not questioning why you brought it up, I'm questioning why you lied blatantly in the opening post. I'm all for freedom of speech, but idiots who lie to try to make a point hurt their cause more than help it, 'cause they can't be trusted...

	18-01-2003 06:52									#11
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What lie in the opening post?

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Sorry - not the opening post, his followup post.

quote: work for a multi-million dollar corporation for absolutely nothing. They have the money, they can afford to pay someone to their dirty work.

and

quote: PS Why should the taxpayer subsidize Dell's profit margin?

	18-01-2003 06:55									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I'm not questioning why you brought it up, I'm questioning why you lied blatantly in the opening post. I'm all for freedom of speech, but idiots who lie to try to make a point hurt their cause more than help it, 'cause they can't be trusted...

Excuse me? How exactly can I lie merely by pointing out an article? Or are you implying that I created that story in order to decieve you. It seems to me that you're the one being an idiot. Actually I have a more colourful expression in mind that I don't feel is appropriate to post.

	18-01-2003 07:15									#14
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Isn't that one of the three international nonos? No child labor, no slave labor and no prison labor? I know we got into a bit of a tiff with China for shipping us goods made by their prisoners.

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quote: Originally posted by Willem And I'm sure they get a fair wage for their efforts? Or do you think that minimum wage regulations apply to inmates? And it's close enough to slave labour in my view. PS And I'm bringing this up because I feel it's wrong. I apologize for having a conscience.

Isn't it slave labor if we force them to make plates or pick up trash or bust rocks? Lots of sentences SAY "hard labor".

Are you stupid?

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How about we use the Prison inmates to work in the feilds? Oh wait, that would put ILLEGAL aliens out of work.

I'm still going to buy a Dell when the time comes.

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quote: Originally posted by GP Are you stupid?

No but obviously you are. Do you actually have anything constructive to say or are you just pathetically trying to get people to notice you?

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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler Isn't that one of the three international nonos? No child labor, no slave labor and no prison labor? I know we got into a bit of a tiff with China for shipping us goods made by their prisoners.

Finally someone who sees the point I'm trying to make! I guess it's OK for American multi-nationals to engage in these kinds of practices, but no one else is allowed to.

	18-01-2003 07:33									#19
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No minimum wage problem:

quote: Amendment XIII Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

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But still, you have not addressed why you claimed that the prisoners get paid nothing and why you said the tax-payer pays.

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Don't have a problem with this morally, but as Che pointed out, I'd rather they were giving these jobs as real jobs to non-convicts who need them. The needs of the prisoners are provided for already.

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quote: Originally posted by MattHiggs But still, you have not addressed why you claimed that the prisoners get paid nothing and why you said the tax-payer pays.

I'm operating on a logical assumption. Here in Canada, inmates might get paid $5 per day for their labours. Certainly not minimum wage. And the taxpayers pay for their food, their lodging etc. etc. Now maybe the California penal system is more generous, though I doubt it.

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1. Prison work is paid.
2. Prison work of this nature is, IIRC, not compulsory.

Neither of the above need to be the case, under the U.S. Constitution.

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hopefully this will make dells cheaper

	18-01-2003 12:04									#25
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Most prisoners have restitution to pay and this program makes that a more likely proposition. So I support it for the help it provides to the victims.

	18-01-2003 12:04									#26
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Willem this is a computer recycling program. Most people I know just toss their old stuff into the trash. But good on Dell for taking the initiative to provide consumers with a cost-effective way of recycling their obsolete junk.

The prison guys are the ones making this recycling program possible and cost effective. I think if it wasn't for them, Dell wouldn't have a formal recycling program in place.

This is a good thing.

	18-01-2003 12:44									#27
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I got no problem with this. If prisoners want to make some money, more power to 'em.

	18-01-2003 12:54									#28
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too late.. I own a Dell Inspiron 8200 already...

but seriously dont but Dell computers. Not because of some prison labout bullcrap. Their computer.... SUCKS.

then again, you can choose even more suckier brands... eh, choose your poison wisely guys.

	18-01-2003 13:13									#29
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so?

give them something to do when they aren't having sex with each other.

	18-01-2003 14:30									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Willem I'm operating on a logical assumption. Here in Canada, inmates might get paid $5 per day for their labours. Certainly not minimum wage. And the taxpayers pay for their food, their lodging etc. etc. Now maybe the California penal system is more generous, though I doubt it.

The taxpayers would be paying the for food and lodging whether the prisoners are working or not.

Recycling tends to be something of a marginal activity in terms of profits, and anti-recyclers like P J O'Rourke constantly point out how costly it is. Maybe if it weren't for the prison labour these parts wouldn't be recycled at all? Meaning, of course, that an environmentally-beneficial outcome is reached by this labour.