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mapfi
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Zurich, Switzerland
Jul 2002
time: 06:25
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The question has been raised if the President's name the capital poll complies with the constitution.
This hearing will last 3 days until January 21st, 9pm GMT, please discuss.
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Originally posted by Martin Gühmann
Pedrunn started an official poll entitled: "OFFICIAL: Choose the city name (final)"
The first post of this post contains the following lines:
From hour constitution the first post has to contain the followling information:
The question was what should be the name of our capital as expressed in the title. The title implies that the poll is a poll for decission making. So nothing wrong with that even it is not explicitly mentioned.
But it doesn't contain a clear and unbiased explanation why he exactly selected the two given city names for the run of poll.
According to his post he based his decission on "[t]he two most voted city names", ok it was clear that he meant the two city names voted in the unofficial poll:
Poll: Name of our capital
But actual he should have mentioned it. But that is not the problem the real problem is that his explanation is not clear and unbiased. Actual it is wrong.
Here are the top city names voted for in the said unofficial poll:
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1. El Dorado................154 (6)
2. Gondolin.................134 (5)
3. Valhalla.................124 (5)
4. Paititi..................120 (4)
5. Xanadu...................119 (5)
6. Lemur City...............100 (4)
Lemur City is number 6 on this list and not number 2. The aim of the said unofficial poll was to gather information. That could have been information on how we call our first city, then the name would have been El Dorado without any further disscussion or a run off poll, between a certain number of the first top city names. The number of the first top city names could have been 2, 6 or whatever, that depends on the choice of the creator of the runoff poll, but not taking number 1 and number 6.
The argument Pedrunn used to use Lemur City as an option was that a lot of citiziens voted for names with the Lemur reference, but this argument is invalid. The rhules of the said unofficial poll was that every citiziens has 120 points that he could allocate to the cities on the list given in that poll. So a citizien was able to allocate all his points like this:
Lemurtown 30
Lemurcak 30
Lemurkakton 30
Lemur City 30
So just another citicien has to do the same thing all the Lemur options had 240 points together. So the conclusion is that:
Lemurtown != Lemurcak
Lemurcak != Lemurkakton
Lemur City != Lemurtown
And so on. Note for nonslicers != means unequal.
So the only explanation one could has why Pedrunn choosed Lemur City for the runoff poll is that he neither likes El Dorado nor Gondolin. And it was also clear as Pedrunn posted the poll that there were many people who don't like El Dorado and would vote for something different see the last comments of the Poll: Name of our capital thread. However the result is according to Article IV Section 2a) of The Constitution of Lemuria a biased poll in favour of Lemur City.
As the poll is biased it is null and void and must be declared invalid, in addition we need a new poll about the name of our capital, of course a unbiased one that must contain at least the first two top voted city names in the Poll: Name of our capital poll started by Locutus. As the aim of this poll was to gather further information the creator of the unbiased poll is free to put more city names on the option list as long as these city names are the n top voted city names in the Poll: Name of our capital poll.
-Martin |
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mapfi
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Zurich, Switzerland
Jul 2002
time: 06:25
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The constitution does require the president to have the name evaluated:
article II, 2-I
(e) The President is in charge of naming all new cities of the empire regardless of how the cities were created or assimilated. A name has to be evaluated by the citizens through an Official Poll (article III, section 3-II) before a city is named.
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centrifuge
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So, it's possible for a city to change names anytime that the president decides to do so... hmmm... What would you guys think if, just for example, London was renamed everytime that a new Prime Miniister came into office. This is just a game, but I think there needs to be a majority poll on the names of cities, where the names put in the poll are chosen from the most favored citizens nomination. If we're going to call this a democracy game, then all aspects should be democratic. The constitution needs to be ammended...
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mapfi
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Zurich, Switzerland
Jul 2002
time: 06:25
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You know - there's this slight possibilty that I was kidding - but I wouldn't count on it...
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
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aachen, germany
Aug 1999
time: 05:25
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i want a run-off-poll between "U R all gay twíts" and "Locutus is a m0r0n"
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Pedrunn
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of Natal, Brazil
Jul 2001
time: 02:25
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I am in a rush but i really need to say something.
I can name this city by any name i want. If someone does not like the name at all make a Resolution Poll!!!!
Last edited by Pedrunn on 20-01-2003 at 09:48
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mapfi
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Zurich, Switzerland
Jul 2002
time: 06:25
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absolutely revolting...
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Pedrunn
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of Natal, Brazil
Jul 2001
time: 02:25
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A phrase out of the context is really a good weapon against whose speak.
Let me get the whole sentece:
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I can name this city by any name i want. If someone does not like the name at all make a Resolution Poll! |
So i am not the tyranic beast tha hates democracy. I am in power because all thought i was going to make the choices most people were going to aprove. If for some moment my oppinions does not reflect the opinion of the people, the PEOPLE can always MAKE me do the have this opinion through a resolution poll. Those polls are the real power of the people. the power to do whatever thay want. Belive this kind power is unique in the word. We are a true democracy.
Last edited by Pedrunn on 21-01-2003 at 08:00
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Martin Gühmann
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Berlin, Germany
Mar 2001
time: 06:25
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Well I should clarify some things here:
I thought it would help if I try to explain my thought and feelings about the whole thing. Obviously I failed.
I did not used the word tyran, I included the possibility that nothing happend on purpose, just by accident. Actual I am shure that nothing happend on purpose. And remember I gave you my vote for a second chance. And I did not changed my mind.
And I already decided to accept the final decission of the court. If the court decides the poll wasn't correct than we will see what has to be done, if the court decides the poll was correct then the city name will be Lemur City as it is the outcome of the poll in question. So I already gave up the way to go for the resolution poll and didn't considerd it anymore as I wrote my last post in this thread.
Well some final questions: Here are again the first 6 entries of Locutus' unofficial city name poll:
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1. El Dorado................154 (6)
2. Gondolin.................134 (5)
3. Valhalla.................124 (5)
4. Paititi..................120 (4)
5. Xanadu...................119 (5)
6. Lemur City...............100 (4)
So what are "The two most voted city names to choose from."?
If your it is still your opiion that Number 1 and Number 6 are "The two most voted city names to choose from." then tell me if the following statements are true.
Lemur Poo == Lemur Town
Lemur Poo == Lemur City
Lemur Town == Lemur City
If your opion is that these statements are all true meaning all these names are the same then tell me why you gave to Lemur * 35 points in total although from the rhules of this unofficial poll each citizien was only allowd to give 30 points at maximum to one option.
-Martin
Last edited by Martin Gühmann on 22-01-2003 at 01:22
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19-01-2003 01:59
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I think we should use invented names and not phrases that state actual facts...
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