20-01-2003 00:11									#1
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OK, I think these questions will make your think a bit... Try to answer them.

Question #1:For a person you love deeply, would you be willing to move to a distant country knowing that there would be little chance of you ever seeing your family and friends again?

Question #2: Do you believe in ghost? would you be willing to spend a weekend alone in a remote house that is supposedly haunted because death occured there?

Question #3:Would you be willing to take the life of a child if you knew this would cure world hunger and end starvation?

Question #4:You are a couple who is expecting your first child. The doctor tells you that there is a 50 percent chance that the child will be blind and deaf. This is your one and only chance to have a child. Would you give up your only chance of having this child because he/she may be blind and deaf? Or would you take the risk and have it?

Question #5:If you could spend 10 years in perfect happiness--having everything you could possibly want out of life, but afterwards would remember nothing of the experience, would you do it?

Question #6:A person that you know successfully
completes a robbery. Although he gets away with ten million dollars, a person dies during the robbery. Assuming this person will NEVER get caught and he/she offers you half the money (and you REALLY need the money) to keep quiet, would you take it? Or would you turn him in and get nothing? By the way, the person killed was a homeless person--a John Doe, and had no family.

Question #7:You discover your wonderful one year old child is, because of a mix up, not yours. When you start to search for your own child you are told it will take at least five years to find your child. Futhermore, you are also informed that it is possible that your child is no longer alive. Meanwhile, the one year old will be removed from your home. Do you risk having the only child you know as yours removed from home in order to wait five years to find your own child that may or may not be alive? Or do you just keep the child in your home and say nothing?

Question #8: Do you think the world will be better or worse off 100 years from now?

Question #9: Would you like to know the date of your and your relatives/friends deathes? (assuming that you could do nothing to prevent those deaths).

(Questions (c) "Book of Questions" 1983)

	20-01-2003 00:36									#2
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1 - Yes
2 - No and Yes
3 - Yes
4 - Have the kid
5 - Of course. What's the downside?
6 - Show me the money!
7 - Those options suck, I'd do neither of those.
8 - About the same
9 - Of course not.

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Question #1:For a person you love deeply, would you be willing to move to a distant country knowing that there would be little chance of you ever seeing your family and friends again? Yes. Especially if the money is good.

Question #2: Do you believe in ghost? would you be willing to spend a weekend alone in a remote house that is supposedly haunted because death occured there? No. Yes.

Question #3:Would you be willing to take the life of a child if you knew this would cure world hunger and end starvation? No.

Question #4:You are a couple who is expecting your first child. The doctor tells you that there is a 50 percent chance that the child will be blind and deaf. This is your one and only chance to have a child. Would you give up your only chance of having this child because he/she may be blind and deaf? Or would you take the risk and have it? No. Yes.

Question #5:If you could spend 10 years in perfect happiness--having everything you could possibly want out of life, but afterwards would remember nothing of the experience, would you do it? No. Why bother?

Question #6:A person that you know successfully
completes a robbery. Although he gets away with ten million dollars, a person dies during the robbery. Assuming this person will NEVER get caught and he/she offers you half the money (and you REALLY need the money) to keep quiet, would you take it? Or would you turn him in and get nothing? By the way, the person killed was a homeless person--a John Doe, and had no family. Turn him in. No amount of money is worth a lifetime of guilt and worry.

Question #7:You discover your wonderful one year old child is, because of a mix up, not yours. When you start to search for your own child you are told it will take at least five years to find your child. Futhermore, you are also informed that it is possible that your child is no longer alive. Meanwhile, the one year old will be removed from your home. Do you risk having the only child you know as yours removed from home in order to wait five years to find your own child that may or may not be alive? Or do you just keep the child in your home and say nothing? Hell no. Hell Yes.

Question #8: Do you think the world will be better or worse off 100 years from now? Better.

Question #9: Would you like to know the date of your and your relatives/friends deathes? (assuming that you could do nothing to prevent those deaths). Again, Hell No.

	20-01-2003 00:45									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Sonic Question #1:For a person you love deeply, would you be willing to move to a distant country knowing that there would be little chance of you ever seeing your family and friends again?

Depends on the circumstances. What if it's not love, but the future. I know that when we left for Israel my mother assumed that she will never see her family again. Thankfully reality was much better.

quote: Question #2: Do you believe in ghost? would you be willing to spend a weekend alone in a remote house that is supposedly haunted because death occured there?

It will be spooky. But it all depends on what will I get in return?

quote: Question #3:Would you be willing to take the life of a child if you knew this would cure world hunger and end starvation?

Yes. And I wouldnt feel a bit of guilt over it.

quote: Question #4:You are a couple who is expecting your first child. The doctor tells you that there is a 50 percent chance that the child will be blind and deaf. This is your one and only chance to have a child. Would you give up your only chance of having this child because he/she may be blind and deaf? Or would you take the risk and have it?

If "only" blind or deaf? I'll have the kid. But something significantly serious, no.

quote: Question #5:If you could spend 10 years in perfect happiness--having everything you could possibly want out of life, but afterwards would remember nothing of the experience, would you do it?

No. If you dont remember it, it never happened.

quote: Question #6:A person that you know successfully completes a robbery. Although he gets away with ten million dollars, a person dies during the robbery. Assuming this person will NEVER get caught and he/she offers you half the money (and you REALLY need the money) to keep quiet, would you take it? Or would you turn him in and get nothing? By the way, the person killed was a homeless person--a John Doe, and had no family.

I will take the money.

quote: Question #7:You discover your wonderful one year old child is, because of a mix up, not yours. When you start to search for your own child you are told it will take at least five years to find your child. Futhermore, you are also informed that it is possible that your child is no longer alive. Meanwhile, the one year old will be removed from your home. Do you risk having the only child you know as yours removed from home in order to wait five years to find your own child that may or may not be alive? Or do you just keep the child in your home and say nothing?

Risk.

quote: Question #8: Do you think the world will be better or worse off 100 years from now?

Overall, better.

quote: Question #9: Would you like to know the date of your and your relatives/friends deathes? (assuming that you could do nothing to prevent those deaths).

No.

	20-01-2003 00:47									#5
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"Yes. And I wouldnt feel a bit of guilt over it."

So, if you personally had to break a 1 year-olds neck, you wouldn't feel guilty?

Monster.

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If I didn't break the 1 year old's neck and caused millions of people to die of hunger in the future I'd feel even more guilty.

	20-01-2003 00:49									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Sonic OK, I think these questions will make your think a bit... [/]quote] Naw, they're easy. [quote] Question #1:For a person you love deeply, would you be willing to move to a distant country knowing that there would be little chance of you ever seeing your family and friends again?

Move.

quote: Question #2: Do you believe in ghost? would you be willing to spend a weekend alone in a remote house that is supposedly haunted because death occured there?

I believe there are probably ghosts. If properly motivated, I would spend the night in the haunted house because (a) most ghosts are benign and (b) those that aren't can't hurt you 'cause they're dead.

quote: Question #3:Would you be willing to take the life of a child if you knew this would cure world hunger and end starvation?

In a heartbeat. 1 life vs. 10,000/day. Do the math.

quote: Question #4:You are a couple who is expecting your first child. The doctor tells you that there is a 50 percent chance that the child will be blind and deaf. This is your one and only chance to have a child. Would you give up your only chance of having this child because he/she may be blind and deaf? Or would you take the risk and have it?

Have it. The only problem with being blind and deaf is that you can't see or hear. But it's still a kid.

quote: Question #5:If you could spend 10 years in perfect happiness--having everything you could possibly want out of life, but afterwards would remember nothing of the experience, would you do it?

Why would I?? BTW, this happened to a friend of my brother-in-law. He spend years on drugs, and was finally found living under a bush by his family & successfully went thru rehab. My brother in law later commented, "Well, at least you have all those great memories," to which the friend reply. "Jim, I can't remember a thing!"

quote: Question #6:A person that you know successfully completes a robbery. Although he gets away with ten million dollars, a person dies during the robbery. Assuming this person will NEVER get caught and he/she offers you half the money (and you REALLY need the money) to keep quiet, would you take it? Or would you turn him in and get nothing? By the way, the person killed was a homeless person--a John Doe, and had no family.

Both. Take the money, turn him in, deny any knowledge of the money.

quote: Question #7:You discover your wonderful one year old child is, because of a mix up, not yours. When you start to search for your own child you are told it will take at least five years to find your child. Futhermore, you are also informed that it is possible that your child is no longer alive. Meanwhile, the one year old will be removed from your home. Do you risk having the only child you know as yours removed from home in order to wait five years to find your own child that may or may not be alive? Or do you just keep the child in your home and say nothing?

The kid that I'm raising is mine. The other kid just had my DNA.

quote: Question #8: Do you think the world will be better or worse off 100 years from now?

Not sure. It'll either be better off or gone.

quote: Question #9: Would you like to know the date of your and your relatives/friends deathes? (assuming that you could do nothing to prevent those deaths).

Don't want to know. Wouldn't matter anyway. In Question 1, I've moved to a distant land and will never see them again.

	20-01-2003 00:50									#8
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quote: So, if you personally had to break a 1 year-olds neck, you wouldn't feel guilty?

If by not doing it I cause the deaths of millions, yes.
It will, of course, be very uncomfortable(to say the least), but no guilt.

	20-01-2003 00:50									#9
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Methinks the child-killers on this thread have no experience with children of their own.

	20-01-2003 00:54									#10
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Methinks the child-killers on this thread have no experience with children of their own.

Is causing the death of one kid "worse" than causing the death of millions only because you are the direct killer, rather than an indirect one?

	20-01-2003 00:57									#11
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Very true. I'd be surprised at a parent voting to off the kid.

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1. Yes.
2. No. Yes, if there was a good reason for doing it.
3. Hell yes. Although I'd hate the actual killing part.
4. Have it.
5. Tough one. I guess not.
6. Take the money.
7. Keep the kid.
8. About the same.
9. Hell no.

	20-01-2003 01:04									#13
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I don't see how it is that different from killing an unborn child by abortion. There is a big difference legally and morally, but the end result is the same.

But I agree, I couldn't do it.

	20-01-2003 01:05									#14
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Question #1:For a person you love deeply, would you be willing to move to a distant country knowing that there would be little chance of you ever seeing your family and friends again?

Yes. If she lives somewhere sunny then I wouldn't even have to love her that deeply. Hell, she wouldn't even have to exist...

Question #2: Do you believe in ghost? would you be willing to spend a weekend alone in a remote house that is supposedly haunted because death occured there?

Nope, and yes.

Question #3:Would you be willing to take the life of a child if you knew this would cure world hunger and end starvation?

Nasty... it would depend on the child. Some people I couldn't harm even at those stakes.

Question #4:You are a couple who is expecting your first child. The doctor tells you that there is a 50 percent chance that the child will be blind and deaf. This is your one and only chance to have a child. Would you give up your only chance of having this child because he/she may be blind and deaf? Or would you take the risk and have it?

Well I don't much want children, so the poor git is in trouble anyway. Assuming I did want a child then I'd probably go ahead, but it's difficult to put yourself in that position.

Question #5:If you could spend 10 years in perfect happiness--having everything you could possibly want out of life, but afterwards would remember nothing of the experience, would you do it?

Ah, but I intend to do that anyway.
Yes, I guess I would.

Question #6:A person that you know successfully
completes a robbery. Although he gets away with ten million dollars, a person dies during the robbery. Assuming this person will NEVER get caught and he/she offers you half the money (and you REALLY need the money) to keep quiet, would you take it? Or would you turn him in and get nothing? By the way, the person killed was a homeless person--a John Doe, and had no family.

Either I'd turn them in or I wouldn't depending on who it was, but the money wouldn't make a difference.
Of course I'd take the 5 mil from them regardless.

Question #7:You discover your wonderful one year old child is, because of a mix up, not yours. When you start to search for your own child you are told it will take at least five years to find your child. Futhermore, you are also informed that it is possible that your child is no longer alive. Meanwhile, the one year old will be removed from your home. Do you risk having the only child you know as yours removed from home in order to wait five years to find your own child that may or may not be alive? Or do you just keep the child in your home and say nothing?

Dunno... is it in the habit of puking on the carpet? Just kidding. I'd keep the child, I think.

Question #8: Do you think the world will be better or worse off 100 years from now?

Either better, or (in a human sense) not here at all. Probably better.

Question #9: Would you like to know the date of your and your relatives/friends deathes? (assuming that you could do nothing to prevent those deaths).

No thanks, I'll preserve the illusion of immortality as long as I can.

	20-01-2003 01:06									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Is causing the death of one kid "worse" than causing the death of millions only because you are the direct killer, rather than an indirect one?

Since this is a pressing moral issue, I'm assuming the kid is mine or in some way I have a vested emotional attachment to it. As I'm faced with a child I love on one hand versus millions of faceless strangers on the other, I've gotta go with the kid.

You can't even prove to me that those millions of strangers actually exist and you want me to go butcher my baby for them? Err, like, hello? A world of no.

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quote: Originally posted by Starchild Since this is a pressing moral issue, I'm assuming the kid is mine or in some way I have a vested emotional attachment to it. As I'm faced with a child I love on one hand versus millions of faceless strangers on the other, I've gotta go with the kid.

Well, the OP didnt specify what child it is, so I assumed random, therefore no one you know.

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Do I have to the killing physically myself or is there some sort of machine whose button I just have to press?

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#1: Yes
#2: No, Yes. I do, however, believe in zombies, and hooo baby, are they ever sexy. If there were zombies in the house, then I'd be there in a heartbeat.
#3: No, I'm not much in to cannibalism, and besides, even if the baby weighed several million pounds its death would still be only a temporary solution to world hunger. (Kill a million-pound baby, and you feed the world for a day. Clone a million million-pound babies, and you feed the world for a million days.)
#4: Have the kid. It would probably be a bit more challenging to have a blind/deaf child, but so what? Having any child would be challenging.
#5: Nope.
#6: I'd turn the ****er in. (BTW, in what scenario would I REALLY NEED five million dollars? )
#7: Keep the kid.
#8: Worse, since I'll probably be dead, and a world without loinburger is not a world I want to live in.
#9: I wouldn't want to know the date of my own death, but it might be fun to know the date of my friends'/relatives' deaths -- I could do things like throw darts at them or put them in meat grinders or whatever, just to see them miraculously survive again and again.

	20-01-2003 01:18									#19
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"Nasty... it would depend on the child."

Well, that's nice.

Starchild - I think that to make it a better moral dilemma,

a. The child should be yours.
b. You should have to personally kill it.

imho.

	20-01-2003 01:32									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Sonic OK, I think these questions will make your think a bit... Try to answer them. Question #1:For a person you love deeply, would you be willing to move to a distant country knowing that there would be little chance of you ever seeing your family and friends again?

Yes.

quote: Question #2: Do you believe in ghost? would you be willing to spend a weekend alone in a remote house that is supposedly haunted because death occured there?

Yes, No

quote: Question #3:Would you be willing to take the life of a child if you knew this would cure world hunger and end starvation?

Yes, though I would feel guilt about it for the rest of my life.

quote: Question #4:You are a couple who is expecting your first child. The doctor tells you that there is a 50 percent chance that the child will be blind and deaf. This is your one and only chance to have a child. Would you give up your only chance of having this child because he/she may be blind and deaf? Or would you take the risk and have it?

No. It's not worth the risk to put a child through such a thing.

quote: Question #5:If you could spend 10 years in perfect happiness--having everything you could possibly want out of life, but afterwards would remember nothing of the experience, would you do it?

No. Theres no point if I dont remember it....

quote: Question #6:A person that you know successfully completes a robbery. Although he gets away with ten million dollars, a person dies during the robbery. Assuming this person will NEVER get caught and he/she offers you half the money (and you REALLY need the money) to keep quiet, would you take it? Or would you turn him in and get nothing? By the way, the person killed was a homeless person--a John Doe, and had no family.

Yes I would. The memory of the homeless person is best served if the money is used to help my family, not if some person gets thrown in jail.

quote: Question #7:You discover your wonderful one year old child is, because of a mix up, not yours. When you start to search for your own child you are told it will take at least five years to find your child. Futhermore, you are also informed that it is possible that your child is no longer alive. Meanwhile, the one year old will be removed from your home. Do you risk having the only child you know as yours removed from home in order to wait five years to find your own child that may or may not be alive? Or do you just keep the child in your home and say nothing?

Quite simple: I hire someone else to go find my child, and I keep the one year old here.

quote: Question #8: Do you think the world will be better or worse off 100 years from now?

Worse. Though in maybe 1000 itll be better.

quote: Question #9: Would you like to know the date of your and your relatives/friends deathes? (assuming that you could do nothing to prevent those deaths).

Yes.

	20-01-2003 03:12									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin I don't see how it is that different from killing an unborn child by abortion. There is a big difference legally and morally, but the end result is the same.

If it was a involuntary abortion you were forcing on someone then there may be some degree of proximity, but it wouldn't be as bad. The post-birth bonding wouldn't have happened.

	20-01-2003 03:18									#22
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Having a kid totally changes your outlook. I'm like an angry bear where kids are concerned these days.

Even if it's not a real event. I had a dream about a month ago where I was the first on the scene of an accident- a bus full of children hit by a landslide. There was a girl about the same age as my daughter (2) trapped by a rock that was crushing her legs. She was whimpering "I'm stuck".

Even with it being a dream, that still makes me want to howl in agony, or kill something. Moral judgements and valuations don't enter into the equation at all- I'd have to beat my brains out against a wall before I could harm a child, whatever the outcome might be.

	20-01-2003 03:23									#23
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Fair enough Laz. I'll probably feel the same way when I have kids.

	20-01-2003 03:23									#24
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I think I'm the only one here who would answer "No" to No. 1.

	20-01-2003 03:32									#25
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"Question #1:For a person you love deeply, would you be willing to move to a distant country knowing that there would be little chance of you ever seeing your family and friends again?"

Probably.

"Question #2: Do you believe in ghost? would you be willing to spend a weekend alone in a remote house that is supposedly haunted because death occured there?"

I don't believe in ghosts, and I would be willing to spend said weekend.

"Question #3:Would you be willing to take the life of a child if you knew this would cure world hunger and end starvation?"

No.

"Question #4:You are a couple who is expecting your first child. The doctor tells you that there is a 50 percent chance that the child will be blind and deaf. This is your one and only chance to have a child. Would you give up your only chance of having this child because he/she may be blind and deaf? Or would you take the risk and have it?"

Keep the child.

"Question #5:If you could spend 10 years in perfect happiness--having everything you could possibly want out of life, but afterwards would remember nothing of the experience, would you do it?"

Sure.

"Question #6:A person that you know successfully
completes a robbery. Although he gets away with ten million dollars, a person dies during the robbery. Assuming this person will NEVER get caught and he/she offers you half the money (and you REALLY need the money) to keep quiet, would you take it? Or would you turn him in and get nothing? By the way, the person killed was a homeless person--a John Doe, and had no family."

How bad do I need the money? Do I need it a for a life saving medical operation for someone in my family? If I really needed it and I was confident the robber would never do it again I would do it.

"Question #7:You discover your wonderful one year old child is, because of a mix up, not yours. When you start to search for your own child you are told it will take at least five years to find your child. Futhermore, you are also informed that it is possible that your child is no longer alive. Meanwhile, the one year old will be removed from your home. Do you risk having the only child you know as yours removed from home in order to wait five years to find your own child that may or may not be alive? Or do you just keep the child in your home and say nothing?"

Try to get my real child.

"Question #8: Do you think the world will be better or worse off 100 years from now?"

Worse. The world's population is growing way too fast and it will become harder and harder to sustain it.

"Question #9: Would you like to know the date of your and your relatives/friends deathes? (assuming that you could do nothing to prevent those deaths)."

Yes.
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1. Why couldn't this person move instead?
2. No and why. What is the point? To prove whether there are ghosts or not? Suppose if there were indeed a ghost and it decided not to show up, then what?
3. Yes. This is only interesting if the person to be killed is you.
4. Why is this the only chance?
5. No.
6. Hm, how did the hobo die? Was he shot at point blank in cold blood? Was it an accident during the get-away? Did he just die of a heart attack when the robbery was occuring? What?
7. If he is not my kid, it must be somebody else's. His parents in all likihood would be worried sick about the kid. What right do I have over these poor people? I will return him to his actual parents. Except that if his parents have problems (know abusers, cannot provide for him, etc.) then I may consider keeping him.
8. Better.
9. What is the bloody point?

	20-01-2003 13:34									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Sonic OK, I think these questions will make your think a bit... Try to answer them. Question #1:For a person you love deeply, would you be willing to move to a distant country knowing that there would be little chance of you ever seeing your family and friends again?

Yes.

quote: Question #2: Do you believe in ghost? would you be willing to spend a weekend alone in a remote house that is supposedly haunted because death occured there?

No, and only if there was a purpose...otherwise I don't see the point.

quote: Question #3:Would you be willing to take the life of a child if you knew this would cure world hunger and end starvation?

I probably couldn't bring myself to do it, but I think it would be 'for the greater good'.

quote: Question #4:You are a couple who is expecting your first child. The doctor tells you that there is a 50 percent chance that the child will be blind and deaf. This is your one and only chance to have a child. Would you give up your only chance of having this child because he/she may be blind and deaf? Or would you take the risk and have it?

Don't see why not. I'd love him/her either way, and it's still only a coin flip.

quote: Question #5:If you could spend 10 years in perfect happiness--having everything you could possibly want out of life, but afterwards would remember nothing of the experience, would you do it?

Sure, why not?

quote: Question #6:A person that you know successfully completes a robbery. Although he gets away with ten million dollars, a person dies during the robbery. Assuming this person will NEVER get caught and he/she offers you half the money (and you REALLY need the money) to keep quiet, would you take it? Or would you turn him in and get nothing? By the way, the person killed was a homeless person--a John Doe, and had no family.

No, I would turn him/her in.

quote: Question #7:You discover your wonderful one year old child is, because of a mix up, not yours. When you start to search for your own child you are told it will take at least five years to find your child. Futhermore, you are also informed that it is possible that your child is no longer alive. Meanwhile, the one year old will be removed from your home. Do you risk having the only child you know as yours removed from home in order to wait five years to find your own child that may or may not be alive? Or do you just keep the child in your home and say nothing?

Search for my child.

quote: Question #8: Do you think the world will be better or worse off 100 years from now?

Better.

quote: Question #9: Would you like to know the date of your and your relatives/friends deathes? (assuming that you could do nothing to prevent those deaths).

Absolutely. I'd like to know when I am going...it would motivate me to do certain things ahead of time...it would also tell me when to get the best moments with people that might not be around much longer. I welcome death, I don't fear it.

	20-01-2003 14:02									#28
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1. no but in fact the oppisite is happening, there is a great diaspora of my friends from the bay area.
2.i dont believe in ghosts and id go to a "haunted" house
3.yes
4.id abort
5.sure!
6. take the money, keep mum
7.give the child up
8.worse
9.sure, then i can prepare to pay my estate taxes.

	20-01-2003 18:02									#29
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet 1 - Yes 2 - No and Yes 3 - Yes 4 - Have the kid 5 - Of course. What's the downside? 6 - Show me the money! 7 - Those options suck, I'd do neither of those. 8 - About the same 9 - Of course not.

heh... mine is pretty much the same, apart from 8 - I think it will be worse. And 7 - have the kid I have now, that's life, hope my own has a good life, but the one that is with me is like my own, so that is the decision, I am not saying I might not be thinking what happened to the real one, but in the same way if I gave this 1 YO away I could help thinking what happened to that baby. So suckage like #3, but go with what you have.