21-01-2003 04:50									#1
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local..._hummer17.shtml

Now you're subsidising Hummers.

I especially like the bit where someone says he's sad that the loophole might be closed.

	21-01-2003 04:52									#2
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You should get a deduction for buying a hybrid.

	21-01-2003 04:57									#3
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That does it... I'm going to buy a semi-trailer cab to drive around in. I won't have the trailer part, just the cab. I'll put a snowplow blade on the front of it., just to intimidate SUV people. And I'll have superbright headlights so the SUV people are blinded, too. Maybe I'll even jack up the body so I can see even better over the SUV's.

	21-01-2003 04:59									#4
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i like the 'fuel' pun in the title

"Her group estimates that the tax incentive's application to SUVs cost the federal treasury $840 million to $987 million last year."

holy ****, there are children starving in africa while we hand out nearly a billion dollars to people who can afford a $60,000 vehicle

	21-01-2003 05:05									#5
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That's communism for you. They're loyal supporters of the Party and get rewarded for it.


Sorry Che...

	21-01-2003 05:06									#6
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<--- Loves his SUV. It just pisses off the do-gooders so!

	21-01-2003 05:08									#7
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Actually, this is why lawyers need less representation on the Congressional rolls, if you ask me. And smaller, less-intrusive government.

But no - people will whine about banning the SUV's instead of seeing the real problem here.

	21-01-2003 05:08									#8
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But are you getting government subsidies for it?

	21-01-2003 05:10									#9
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT <--- Loves his SUV. It just pisses off the do-gooders so!

*cavebear discovers a great desire to see SUV's crunched under Monster Trucks (unoccupied SUV's of course, but I can imagine unhappy owners).*

Now is that PC or what?

	21-01-2003 07:21									#10
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear That does it... I'm going to buy a semi-trailer cab to drive around in. I won't have the trailer part, just the cab. I'll put a snowplow blade on the front of it., just to intimidate SUV people. And I'll have superbright headlights so the SUV people are blinded, too. Maybe I'll even jack up the body so I can see even better over the SUV's.

That sounds like fun, except I don't have a license to drive those things.

	21-01-2003 07:30									#11
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I dont mind SUVs at all. People have free choice. I'd rather take it up to car makers to solve fuel inefficiency or not make it at all, if I am concerned about enviornment. I understand that businesses respond to sales, but its still not a good reason to blindly hate people who buy them.

SUV's have actually a legitimate reason if you are an outdoors person. I have 2 friends who own Nissan XTerra. One's SUV is totally f**ked up. It has dents and scratches all over it and accumulates dirt and mud all over if he doesnt carwash often. The other one uses it to pick up his girlfriend to goto the movies within town and would probably die if I even farted inside the car, let alone imagine getting a scratch on it....

	21-01-2003 07:35									#12
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Yeah, my other car is a T-55.

	21-01-2003 08:30									#13
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SUV - is that a 4WD?

I love my 4WD. So useful when your whole valley burns down.

	21-01-2003 09:00									#14
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Sports Utility Vehicle.

Is that name only used in America?

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	21-01-2003 09:48									#16
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This is my 4wd. I suppose its an SUV. I use it for SUV.

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	21-01-2003 09:53									#17
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Yup. That's an SUV. You evil bastard, you.

	21-01-2003 09:57									#18
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At least I take my SUV off road regularly and actually know how to engage 4wd - unlike a lot of SUV owners.

But Humvees - Jeez, driving those around the burbs is just ridiculous. I don't think they are very practical for off road either - wheel base is way, way too wide.

	21-01-2003 10:08									#19
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hummer here I come. Where is the nearest dealer...

	21-01-2003 10:11									#20
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the wheel base is wide for better stability. It just doesn't allow you to go through thick bushes or trees. Great in the desert I'm sure

We have many, many humvees in Las Vegas. Including the stretch humvees. I have yet to see one off road

I have a 4 X 4, but it is a pickup, not a SUV. Dodge Ram to be specific.

	21-01-2003 10:18									#21
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quote: But Humvees - Jeez, driving those around the burbs is just ridiculous. I don't think they are very practical for off road either - wheel base is way, way too wide.

The H2 is actually similar to more common SUVs. The H1 was basically only useful for military uses .

	21-01-2003 10:24									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident the wheel base is wide for better stability. It just doesn't allow you to go through thick bushes or trees. Great in the desert I'm sure

What about in the mountains and forests? The dirt roads around here are basically the width of a bull dozer blade. You couldn't get a humvee down those roads and even if you did noone could pass you from the other way. It would be the same in most parts of the world. You couldn't use a humvee in many kinds of terrain.

In the burbs, how do you park the damn thing? A humvee would take 2 normal parking spots. Imagine trying to drive one around in the mall parking lot

I'd like to know the logic of the humvee design.

	21-01-2003 10:35									#23
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I think that is the reason the H1 didn't sell very well.

	21-01-2003 11:04									#24
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The H2 is selling real well in Vegas. But even the H1 sold fairl well here. But that is because we our a town of decadence and indulgence.

And we also have many stretch humvees. There are also strectch Ford Excursions here.

	21-01-2003 11:05									#25
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And the military Hummer looks vertically quite cramped as well. I suppose it's the combination of high clearance and low profile that does it.

But why is no one interested in the 30k tax refund on a "business" Hummer (ie. mr. lawyer drives it to work)?

	21-01-2003 11:06									#26
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But AH you misrepresent how wide the H1 is. It still fits within a traffic lane. And can fit in parking spots (leavine no room to spare like most vehicle though).

I'm certain it can fit in the width of a bulldoze blade. Or the military made a stupid mistake buying the things! They couldn't be used in combat zones with narrow roads!. But like I said, they aren't that wide.

	21-01-2003 11:07									#27
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and the logic of the humvee design is simple physics really.

you think these jackasss with jacked up trucks have a good 4 X 4? No, they are pieces of ****. They are so high they would probably fall over if you subjected it to too much lean. Humvees are designed to drive on the sides of hills without rolling over. I'm not sure what is the pitch it can be subjected to, but it is a good % I'm sure.

	21-01-2003 11:52									#28
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The H1's are awesome, scare the hell out of these other SUV pissies. Too bad it has the fuel efficiency of a, um, well, very low anyway.

	21-01-2003 19:16									#29
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Personally, I think the government is subsidizing the wrong kind of hummers...

	21-01-2003 19:25									#30
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amen, brother.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Big Three actually build a decent sedan again. Thanks to the SUV frenzy, they've pretty much conceded the sedan and roadster markets to the foreign companies. The new Mustang looks good, but that's about it.