22-01-2003 11:52									#1
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On the way home tonight, I heard on Shawn Hanity's (Sp?) show a guest, I don't know his name, who said he had an Arkansas trooper, I believe, who was in a room with others trooper when Hillary burst in and said that her husband had tried to rape Juanita Broderick. She called her a *****. She then organized a coverup - this occurred when Clinton was running for governor the first time.

The caller said he would see if he could get the trooper to come on Shawn's show.

Why am I not surprised that Hillary is a criminal.

	22-01-2003 12:05									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Why am I not surprised that Hillary is a criminal.

Why am I not surprised you would jump to that conclusion based on an unsubstantiated comment from an unknown speaker on right-wing talk radio?

	22-01-2003 12:17									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly Why am I not surprised you would jump to that conclusion based on an unsubstantiated comment from an unknown speaker on right-wing talk radio?

1) I am not surprised she knew. She just pretends not to know about her husband's philandering.

2) I am not surprised she masterminded the coverup - she is the brains of the family.

3) I am not surprised she covered it up because of the billing records that were found in her quarters in the White House. She appears willing to go to great lengths to cover up both her own and her husband's wrongdoing.

4) She appears to be one of the most ruthless and smart politicians ever. Ranks right up there with Julius Caesar.

	22-01-2003 12:32									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Ned 1) I am not surprised she knew. She just pretends not to know about her husband's philandering. 2) I am not surprised she masterminded the coverup - she is the brains of the family. 3) I am not surprised she covered it up because of the billing records that were found in her quarters in the White House. She appears willing to go to great lengths to cover up both her own and her husband's wrongdoing. 4) She appears to be one of the most ruthless and smart politicians ever. Ranks right up there with Julius Caesar.

Leaving #4 aside (because I agree), my point is that there's a world of difference between saying "I'm not surprised she knew" (which you said) and "I wouldn't be surprised if she knew" (which, I hope, you meant).

You can't be surprised she knew, because you don't know that she knew, unless you always take at face value the claims of callers on talk radio (in which case I have this bridge for sale...)

	22-01-2003 13:06									#6
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I've got a better news flash for you: Bush & Cheney with the help of Enron engineered the California energy crisis.

	22-01-2003 13:06									#7
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That allegation may be completely BS, like the one brought up by Paula Jones.

I think the attacks on the sitting President of the United States were mostly exaggerations, lies and often totally unfair. I'm defending Bush exactly in the same way as for Clinton.

	22-01-2003 15:24									#8
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You gotta be trollin', Ned.

	22-01-2003 16:39									#9
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So some unverified person made some unsubstantiated assertions. Lets see how good it stands up in court. There is a thing called slander.

	22-01-2003 17:01									#10
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Interesting shift of emphasis, making Hillary more central. Attack dogs will now be able to get new mileage out of old stories. Look for lots more of this.

I think that if I believed something merely because I heard it on Sean Hannity's radio program, I'd be too embarrassed to mention it in public.

	22-01-2003 17:09									#11
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Ned, you are looking as bad as jimmytrick right now...for shame

	22-01-2003 18:03									#12
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley I've got a better news flash for you: Bush & Cheney with the help of Enron engineered the California energy crisis.

HUH? There are liberals who actually think this way. News flash. Happened during the great Clinton administration. And Bush was Texas gov and Cheney was Haliburton CEO at that time.

	22-01-2003 18:05									#13
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I do think Hillary completely lied about one thing. She came on TV druing the campaign (92) and VOLUNTEERED that her marriage was a normal, loving one. And not one where she stuck to him for politics. I don't beleive that. And the way things have eveolved it sure looks like what she VOLUNTEERED was directly wrong.

None of this is to say that I take the allegation of a caller seriously.

	22-01-2003 18:08									#14
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quote: Originally posted by ixnay

Well said.... err... eyed.

	22-01-2003 18:22									#15
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quote: Originally posted by GP HUH? There are liberals who actually think this way. News flash. Happened during the great Clinton administration. And Bush was Texas gov and Cheney was Haliburton CEO at that time.

So? There are conservatives who actually think Clinton had Vince Foster and others murdered. Just goes to show that nuts abound.

Ned, if you really believe this and are not just trolling, then you are perhaps the biggest fool around this board. Come on, fess up it was a joke.

	22-01-2003 18:29									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Ned, if you really believe this and are not just trolling, then you are perhaps the biggest fool around this board. Come on, fess up it was a joke.

"We need, IMHO, to continue to cut interest rates - to zero or below if necessary, until the economy really rebounds"-Ned

	22-01-2003 18:58									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov So? There are conservatives who actually think Clinton had Vince Foster and others murdered. Just goes to show that nuts abound. Ned, if you really believe this and are not just trolling, then you are perhaps the biggest fool around this board. Come on, fess up it was a joke.

Don't you try to out-nut us.

	22-01-2003 19:07									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger "We need, IMHO, to continue to cut interest rates - to zero or below if necessary, until the economy really rebounds"-Ned

Oooooh no no no, he didn't, did he?

	22-01-2003 19:09									#19
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Yes, about 6 months ago. He showed up and managed to lose all my respect in the period of about a week.

He also claimed that 9 of the 19 9/11 hijackers came through Canada (when in fact there is no evidence that any had ever stepped foot in Canada).

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quote: Originally posted by Frogger Yes, about 6 months ago. He showed up and managed to lose all my respect in the period of about a week. He also claimed that 9 of the 19 9/11 hijackers came through Canada (when in fact there is no evidence that any had ever stepped foot in Canada).

I can't agree with the first thing (one only need look at Japan to see why that would be an awful idea), but as for the second claim, I remember that that was stated on the news at least several times. Might have been wrong and later corrected, but it was on the news at some point.

	22-01-2003 19:25									#21
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Well if it was, then it was pure speculation on the part of an irresponsible journalist. Several came through Indonesia, some through middle eastern countries, and some through France and Germany.

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*shrug* maybe. Maybe they were confusing the hijackers with the millenium plot in which a terrorist was captured on the Canadian border. I dunno.

	22-01-2003 19:36									#23
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Frogger: I remember that story too. I also remember the Arabs that wanted to blow up LAX on New Years 2000 transited through Canada.

	22-01-2003 19:57									#24
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Just one Arab, AFAIK...

Your media goes wild with specualation that terrorists came "across our undefended border with Canada" (cue scary music). So far we've seen one attempt, and he was caught by the astute US customs guard (i.e. the system worked).

And remember that wacky story from a few weeks ago? The one where the FBI was duped by an obvious liar into putting out an APB for 5 people who don't even exist?

To bring us back to the original thread title, Miss Hillary Rodham Clinton then went on the air claiming that she'd been told by "sources" that the 5 nonexistent men had crossed from Canada to the US (more specifically across a lake on an Indian reservation).

Your media thrives on scare stories, and they've been playing up this Canada issue with no facts behind them whatsoever. The fact is that we do a good job securing our borders (much better than any of a dozen other places with regular points of transit with the US).

	22-01-2003 20:23									#25
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I think I heard that show, too. Wan't that the one where Hilary was also seen leading a lynching, smuggling snuff films, and kidnapping the Lindburgh baby?

	22-01-2003 20:38									#26
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Jerry, Jerry, Jerry...

	22-01-2003 20:59									#27
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Of course the conclusion that Hilary is a criminal is a troll. However, be aware that this story is out there. You may here of it again -- for example, if Hillary is tabbed for VP by the next demo nominee.

	22-01-2003 21:18									#28
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Ned, crackpots call into radio shows all the time and spout out wild, unsubstantiated rumors. Why should anyone think this one would get more traction than the countless others?

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quote: Originally posted by Frogger "We need, IMHO, to continue to cut interest rates - to zero or below if necessary, until the economy really rebounds"-Ned

I'm assuming Ned was referring to Paul Krugman's approach to fighting Japanese deflation by raising expectations of future inflation. The effect of this is to push the real interest rate below zero, thereby stimulating investment spending. The same approach could be applied here in the United States if there is a serious risk of deflation.

(Real interest rate) = (Nominal interest rate) - (Expected inflation)
Note: this approximation is good if the values are small

	22-01-2003 21:48									#30
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a) No, he was saying that the nominal rate should be set below zero; that way during a deflationary period the real interest rate would be positive

b) Your argument does not make sense; if the nominal rate is above zero and the Japanese currency is experiencing deflation then the real interest rate would remain above zero