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Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
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Catholics less likely than protestants or evangelical protestants to vote Republican?

Shi, this makes no sense to me. Are you including non-practicing Catholics along with practicing?

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well, at least i won't be alive to see it, hopefully.




Hopefully I wont be alive to see the black scum become the majority, too....

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"Rich blacks vote republican as well: its a matter of class, not race."

I am shocked anyone who had ever called themselves a political scientist would say that. If it's not a matter of race compare how blacks and whites vote controlling for difference in income, education, etc.

"The rich might vote MORE for Republicans, but it doesn't mean they vote Republican over Democrat as a group."

Right, the percentage of votes Democratic Candidates get from rich blacks is a little less then what they get from poor blacks, but they still vote Democratic by big margins.

"asians/hispanic = republicans."

Asians outside of Hawaii do tend to be Republican, but the Democrats still get a majority of the Hispanic vote most of the time. There are exceptions though, I think Jeb Bush won the Hispanic vote in Florida.


"Catholics less likely than protestants or evangelical protestants to vote Republican?

Shi, this makes no sense to me. Are you including non-practicing Catholics along with practicing?"

Yes I am, I am including everyone who identifies themselves as Catholics. Evangelical Protestants often care deeply about social issues and vote based on them(think religious right). As far as practicing vs. non practicing however, it is true in general the more someone attend religious services the more likely they are to vote Republican.

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No, actually they don't. 90% of blacks vote Democrat, that includes rich and poor. The rich might vote MORE for Republicans, but it doesn't mean they vote Republican over Democrat as a group.


And most rich hispanics still vote dem. Whats the difference? The richer minorities are, the more likely they are to vote republican. Otherwise, they remain loyal democratic voters. Hipanics might not be as loyal as blakcs, but that still does not change the overall equation.

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In plenty of elections, black turnout as a percentage is greater than white turnout as a percentage.


And who won those election's, in the states were minority votes are key? (National presidential elections are squewed by the EC)

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ja, generally speaking: blacks = democrat asians/hispanic = republicans.

of course there are variances in the groups.


Actually, Nein. Hispanics remain democrats. Look at the sad fate of the California Republican party. As for Asians, I have never seen anyone really care about their vote (at least out here in the East Coast).

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Among Hispanics, Gore beat Bush by a 2-to-1 margin.

Hispanics, as a group, tend to favor Dems. Just not as much as Blacks do.

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Thank you Shi, practicing Catholics are very similar to Evangelicals in voting patterns.

"I am including everyone who identifies themselves as Catholics."

Sure wish this was a lower percentage, those who call themselves Catholic, yet don't practice.

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May I ask why you're making such a fuss about this? After all, what's the difference between voting Republican nad voting Democrat? The country that's going to get bombed next year?

Btw, a Spaniard immigrating in the US is considered white or hispanic?

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Here in California, less then 50% of the population is white.

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And who won those election's, in the states were minority votes are key? (National presidential elections are squewed by the EC)


Just minority votes? In Florida and Texas Republicans swept and carried plenty of Hispanic voters.

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Even though Hispanics tend to be poor,





anyway....I didnt read anything...

just wanted to comment on how odd it is to hear

"LARGEST minority"



carry on now

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Btw, a Spaniard immigrating in the US is considered white or hispanic?


spaniards are CAUCASIANS.

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I'm wondering if this has more to do with immigration, or their prodigious birthrates.

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I seem to recall somewhere that there is a trend for hispanics to gradually blend into the general population. After three or four generations many begin to classify themselves as "white". There may be a sort of upper limit then to the portion of the population classified as hispanic, since those who have lived here for a long time gradually blend in.

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I'm wondering if this has more to do with immigration, or their prodigious birthrates.


The birth rate of hispanics in the US is pretty close to the national average.

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Americans are obsesed with race

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Americans are obsesed with race


ja. we're also obsessed with heritage.

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Americans are obsesed with race


And the land of the Abos is not?

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racists

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Racists?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/as...fic/1525825.stm

Amid the diplomatic posturing and the haggling over language at the World Conference against Racism it is easy to lose sight of the reality of racism.

Each day during the meeting in South Africa some of those who have suffered discrimination have been telling their personal stories.

Among them is Monica Morgan, from the Aboriginal Yorta Yorta people of south-eastern Australia.

There were 20,000 Yorta Yorta people in that region before the British - what Monica Morgan calls the "first boat people" - came in 1788.

By the end of the 19th century, fewer than 100 were left.

Trauma

Now their population has recovered to 4,000, but she told the conference how the survivors had been traumatised by the collective effects of two centuries of racism.



Monica Morgan: Aborigines were "brainwashed" and "violated"

Her own generation has been marked by the removal of Aboriginal children from their families, the so-called "stolen generation".

Some 100,000 children were taken from Aboriginal families throughout Australia - including Monica Morgan's own family.

She described the impact on her family.

Monica's story

"The removal of children from their families affects every member of the indigenous community in Australia today.

"Every one of our families has been directly involved, or has people who have returned home after being removed.

"In my own family, the father of my children was removed from school at 10 years of age. He and seven of his brothers and sisters - five at school, one who was in hospital, two who were in camp with their family members - were removed and placed in a jail cell and transported to places known as detention centres or homes, where they were trained to be domestics, brainwashed to be assimilated, and violated.

"In every one of our communities now we are having our people return to us, broken, feeling rejected, hopeless and without any justice."

Monica Morgan - and the other Aboriginal people of Australia - are calling for an apology and compensation for the years of suffering.

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The birth rate of hispanics in the US is pretty close to the national average.


I've read that the growth of hispanics in the US is something like 4.7%, while for whites it is only .8% or something. I'm just wondering why that is.

The reason I meantioned birthrates is because in my experience they are higher among hispanics; not only are many hispanics catholic (birth control & abortion is bad, etc.) but their culture values large families. Many years ago, my mother was talking with a young hispanic woman on an airplane. The woman said she was sorry for my mother that she only had one child, as if it was a terrible tragedy or something. That's just one example, but I've found it to be very true generally (and I live in CA, so I live around a lot of hispanics both legal and illegal).

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not only are many hispanics catholic (birth control & abortion is bad, etc.) but their culture values large families.


Cyclotron. You don't need to reinforce your position.
Makes sense to me.

I guess there are some things we agree upon.

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"And most rich hispanics still vote dem. "

Actually increased wealth increases the likelihood of voting GOP for hispanics then Blacks. IIRC a majority of Rich Hispanics went for Bush..

"Thank you Shi, practicing Catholics are very similar to Evangelicals in voting patterns."

Maybe. Religious Catholics are usually very pro-life and so that sometime encourages them to vote Republican. However religious Catholics are sometime also leftist on economic and foreign policy issues, so sometimes they will vote Democraitc based on that, particularly those who feel the GOP won't get anything done on Abortion.

"Sure wish this was a lower percentage, those who call themselves Catholic, yet don't practice."

I still welcome them to call themselves Catholic. As the Bible says, we have all fallen short of the glory of God, so I don't want to be judging people and saying there not good enough to be Catholic. Although if what you meant is that more of the self-identifying Catholics should practice then ya I agree.

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Shi, what I meant was that those who call themselves Catholic should practice. I have nothing against people calling themselves Catholic.

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I don't want to be judging people and saying there not good enough to be Catholic.


Especially because I'm not Catholic to begin with.

 
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