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What diplomatic stance should we take toward the University?
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Let the Truce lapse, and then declare Vendetta! 0 0%
Continue on with the Truce; keep the status quo 2 16.67%
Pursue a Treaty of Friendship, if Zakharov is willing 1 8.33%
Pursue a Treaty and, uif possible, a Pact of Brotherhood 9 75.00%
Write-In 0 0%
Xenobanana 0 0%
Total: 12 voters 100%
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Provost Zakharov of the University declared Vendetta on us several years ago. After his northern border was overrun by the Hive, he consented to a Truce. We have the option of either letting this Truce lapse at its natural expiration date, allowing us to then declare Vendetta, keeping the Truce and status quo, or pursuing a Treaty of Friendship -- and possibly a PAct of Brotherhood in the future.

What policy should the Directorate pursue? You have three days.

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treaty , then pact if possible. he might be more receptive now that we're (finally) in knowledge.

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Treaty, pact him if possible.

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Treaty and Pact if possible. Considering his military position and our compatible SE choices, he's likely to be very receptive.

It looks to me that Yang's going to overrun the remainder of University territory shortly, so I think the purpose of buddying up to Zak is to trade for/diplomatically extract as much tech from him as possible... *checks the save file datalinks* err, well, that amounts to just AAA, unless I missed something. Still worth it, unless he asks something unreasonable for the pact or tech.

Btw, is anyone considering military intervention to save the University from Hive takeover? It doesn't seem likely, but it did occur to me.

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We could always build a size 1 base in our territory and gift it to him....

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Btw, is anyone considering military intervention to save the University from Hive takeover? It doesn't seem likely, but it did occur to me.


For the moment we're too weak military. In some future we could of course liberate the previous University bases and gift them back to Zak, if he still survives by eg gifting him a base. This would be fulfilling our real function as UN peacekeepers.

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I agree with Archaic and Maniac. Gifting him a base is a great, imaginative idea, that's in line with our ideals

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btw, as we found in the latest chat, we can secure a PAct if we're willing to give him Advanced Subatomic Theory. Maniac and Hercules were against doing this becaus ehtye expect Yang to steal it (and they do have a point). Discuss.

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How about securing a pact and sending our probe teams to protect Zak's border bases? Or is this just too friendly?

-Jam

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We don't have enough teams to put them right in the firing line like that. I tmight make sense if we could actually hold Yang off, but we can't.

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btw, as we found in the latest chat, we can secure a PAct if we're willing to give him Advanced Subatomic Theory. Maniac and Hercules were against doing this becaus ehtye expect Yang to steal it (and they do have a point). Discuss.


AST isn't exactly a crucial tech. so yang gets it. big deal. remember, we're playing with spoils of war off.

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Maniac said eh didn't want our rovers facing Hive comm jammers (btw, Yang can steal it - he has a number of probe teams waiting to do so. I'd guess that's how he's been advancing so fast tech-wise)

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ah yes, comm jammers
i guess it's just that i've never known the hive to use probes that often.

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Well, they have at least three in the occupied bases, and that's the only explanation I can think of for why they advanced so fast.

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well they do seem to have a surprisingly high tech rate somehow, on top of probing the UoP.

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Though I'm normally in favor of freedom of information, I'd recommend we hold off on the trade for now. Anything that denies our enemies a useful tool for a time will further our chances, and thereby Zakharov's chances, in the long run. The University does not have the industrial resources to take advantage of the Comm Jammer. The Hive does, and from its underground bunkers this technology would likely be dangerously effective. As long as we hope to wage offensive war as well as one of defense and covert action, every year the Hive is not able to build a Comm Jammer boosts our probability of eventual victory.

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I agree with Adam - hold back AST for now.

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So, we hold off on giving it to him until we relocate him to one of our bases?

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Until either Yang has it somehow, or until Yang can't steal it from the Uni. I think the point is clear, in any event.

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Does anybody know if the Comm Jammer works against air units?

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Does anybody know if the Comm Jammer works against air units?


only against fast units, ie speeders and hovertanks. they have AAA for air.

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Does Yang have AAA? I hope not.

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if he has needlejets, yes he has

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...?

That's SAM. AAA is from Advanced Military Algorithms, which isn't necessary for D:AP.

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Didn't we steal AAA from Yang? I think he has it.

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A better question is, is he using it? The AI isn't known for AAA units.

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...?

That's SAM. AAA is from Advanced Military Algorithms, which isn't necessary for D:AP.


oh, it is?

archaic, i've seen the AI use AAA before. and quite a lot, at that.

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A better question is, is he using it? The AI isn't known for AAA units.
According to current intelligence he currently has no units with either SAM or AAA. He is building a fairly large land force of missile units though...

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Didn't we steal AAA from Yang? I think he has it.


No, we acquired it from the University through diplomacy (for Nonlinear Mathematics).

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