23-01-2003 01:32									#1
	Opinion poll: Should Frankfurt be abandoned or not? Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Should Frankfurt be abandoned or not.

This is what Shiber and Roadcage think:

quote: Originally posted by roadcage I know this will get flamed, but we need to abandon Frankfurt and use one of our inventoried settlers to replace it. Turning 8 resisters requires too much of our meager forces to be worth the candle. The question that arises, is should it be replaced at the same tile, or moved slightly closer to Leipzig. By moving closer to Liepzig, we will be able to fire our Artillery at Leipzig one turn sooner. And I expect a similarly high resistor count out of Leipzig so that New Frankfurt being closer is not a problem. We will most likely be moving Leipzig as well.

quote: Originally posted by Shiber I've changed my mind about Frankfurt over the last day. I now agree with Roadcage on the matter of burning this wretched thing.

Please give your opinion on this issue.

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Aidun

	23-01-2003 01:44									#2
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I agree with both, roadcage and Shiber.
Voted Yea

	23-01-2003 01:55									#3
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As I understand the newcon, since Frankfurt has resistors, it is under the watchful eye of our SMC. And based on what happened with Hamburg, if he wants to abandon it, he can, full stop.

The real question becomes where do we want to place the city founding settler if this happens. And this is within the control of our DM. We would hope that the DM would consult with the rest of the cabinet and expecially the SMC, but it's his call.

I originally wrote what I wrote in hopes of raising the interest level of our SMC and DM. I never expected a poll. But we have one now, so I voted Yea.

Ssgt roadcage (retired)

	23-01-2003 02:14									#4
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I say abandon. Trying to squelch that many resisters will take away from our continued offensive.

	23-01-2003 02:14									#5
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Actually, I'm in agreement with Roadcage that Frankfurt should be abandoded due to it's numerous resistors.

	23-01-2003 02:26									#6
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This is a good idea as far as I'm concerned. Frankfurt should be abandoned, it causes too many issues logistically, and a newer, better site for a city can be founded in the surrounding area, with loyal Apolyton nationals settling the city.

Frankfurt will be abandoned this next turnchat. Berlin, however, will stay. I, like our President, do not wish to see the Observatory demolished.....

SMC Meshelic

	23-01-2003 03:44									#7
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hi ,

yeah , but we should get some settlers or workers out of it !

have a nice day

and this poll can not last forever , ....

	23-01-2003 04:26									#8
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We would only get workers out of it, and the remaining units inside the city would no longer be...well, in the city.

However, the benefits to abandoning Frankfurt far outweigh IMHO any argument against it. We will not have to waste military resources on squashing the resistance there, nor will we risk a culture flip (although that really isn't something that worries me), and to top it off, we can use the tiles available more efficiently when we plant one of our own cities in the general area...

SMC Meshelic

	23-01-2003 04:31									#9
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What a shame! I forgot to vote first in my own poll !

I voted Yea. Not because I like to abandon cities. I hate it, but I fear that if we wouldn't, the Greeks and the Astecs would probably conquer one or two cities that I would rather see to fall into OUR hands. We can use our forces for better purposes that to keep the order in Frankfurt.
[rp]Those unthankful people should know better: WE are not their oppressors, we have come to free them from the German oppressor![/rp]

Aidun

	23-01-2003 23:15									#10
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I disagree with moving or abandoning it. Doing so gives up all that is in it. Flip is a small danger at best due to our culture advantage over germany. If it did flip, so what, we just retake it. Often in these situations I use a place like frankfurt for a unit recovery town, so units recover and lower resistance. I f we don't have enough of these we simply wait till the war is over to put down the resistance. Last I looked though we had plenty of wounded units.
Aggie

	24-01-2003 00:15									#11
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I would not disband Frankfurt until all those units are healed.

I agree with you Aggie, to a point....but at the moment, war weariness is taking us over like a dark cloud. Disbanding Frankfurt (in a turn or so) after those units are healed, will allow us to move quickly and assault the last German cities, instead of having to hold back some troops to quell the resisters...

I don't wish to see those cities in Greek hands, or Aztec, or English. We've done the most fighting, it's only right that we take the remaining cities.

Waiting till the units inside Frankfurt heal?
Disbanding Frankfurt after that?
Continuing and capturing our objectives before we're overtaken by war weariness?

	24-01-2003 00:48									#12
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Meshelic, it's your call, but if we don't abandon Frankfurt this turn the city will go into disorder if you send more than a couple of troops over there.

Also, since we built Sun Tzus, any new city we build has a baracks.

I sugest that in this turn in this order:

1. Railroad connect to the poluted tile (don't rail the actual tile though, forming the town will clear polution and rail there.) (At the same time rail connect Berlin to the rest of the empire.)

2. Form New Frankfort

3. Abandon Old Frankfort

4. Place the wouded units you whould have placed in Old Frankfort in New Frankfort instead.

	24-01-2003 01:18									#13
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Excellent suggestion, joncnunn.