23-01-2003 12:57									#1
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My first of some animated leaderheads I'm making from Lord of The Rings.

I am also currently working on Sauron and Legolas.

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	23-01-2003 13:20									#2
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The smile doesn't look evil enough. And he probably ought to have worse teeth. Make him look more fierce and such and you're in business.

	23-01-2003 14:29									#3
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Nice work! But add some scars, rings and maybe a bolt or two in the scull.

How are you going to make the other units? As shown in the movie or from you mind (assuming you've read the story)?

(hmmm, making a LOTR-scenario; is there a force raze city option in the editor?)

	24-01-2003 05:12									#4
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Can't wait for a LOTR Scenario - had it mind but no time. There is a good one for CTP2 under development here on Apolyton.

	24-01-2003 06:35									#5
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Good job, is it a Rolling Stones member model?
Are you using Poser 4, Poser 5, or something else?

	24-01-2003 07:24									#6
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I think he is plenty ugly

	24-01-2003 09:22									#7
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I think it's a good start, just needs to get uglier.

	24-01-2003 09:45									#8
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Agreed on the ugliness.

If he's an Uruk-hai from Saruman, you could put the white hand on his forehead.

	26-01-2003 02:34									#9
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Nope, he looks more like regular orc.
(at least compared to LotR movie)

	26-01-2003 10:29									#10
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quote: Originally posted by player1 Nope, he looks more like regular orc. (at least compared to LotR movie)

I disagree he has characteristics that only fit the orcs from the LOTR movies as their orcs are completely different from all other ones.

Classical orcs are much broader and have thicker jaw and smaller cranium. They are also much more muscular. LOTR movie orcs look more like dirty hillbillies with "beauty issues".

	26-01-2003 11:03									#11
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Kinda looks like Marilyn Manson.....

	26-01-2003 11:03									#12
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Great work, and very ugly. One question are you gonna do a dwarf one? Orcs and elves are good and all but they are nothing compaired to dwarves.

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	26-01-2003 13:25									#13
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That looks REALLY good! I can't wait for the others, I saw Sauron on your site and he looks incredible too.

	26-01-2003 15:19									#14
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Nice Orc. Agreed about ugliness, and also agree that it needs war wounds, chains, etc.

About the other leaders.....I look forward to them, but....why Legolas? He wasn't a leader, only an elf who by circumstance got a lot into the plot. A more logical choice would be Elrond or what's his name, leader of Lothlorien and partner of Galadriel.

In my opinion, for a LotR scenario, you would need the following civs: leader -
Elves: Elrond or What's-his-name of Loth. Maybe have both as separate civs.
Dwarves: whoever the leader was, who I don't think was Gimli (again, I don't think he was the leader, just an unfortunate dwarf)
Orthank: Saruman
Mordor: Sauron
Gondor: Aragorn (he's leader eventually)
Rohan: What's-his-name
(as you can tell, I'm not good with names).
These civs I think would best represent the second war of the ring, showing the most influential civs. (note I didn't mention hobbits....if you think about it, only 4 hobbits actually did anything in the story that mattered to the plot...5 if you include smeagol).

	26-01-2003 20:57									#15
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King Theoden of Rohan I believe you are looking for.

And it always seems that in Lothlorien, Galadriel, rather than Celeborn is wearing the pants so-to-speak, so I'd make her the leader of choice.

And yeah, as a world power, the Hobbits don't figure (and Smeagol was only identified as Hobbit-like, or at least that was the case in the books.)

As for the Orc, it looks pretty cool. But I agree it could do with some scars and accessories. Also maybe if it was a little greener perhaps. Just a thought.

	28-01-2003 07:46									#16
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The leader of the Dwarves was Dain Ironfoot! The leader of the High Elves should be Elrond, and the leader of the Silvan Elves should be Galadrial or Tharanduil (Thranduil?), not Celeborn because, as was pointed out, Galadrial "wore the pants" .
If you were to have the hobbits as a "power" then the leader should be a Took-i.e. the Thain!
The ruler of Gondor should be Aragorn or Denthor II, depending on what you were looking for in terms of "feel", so to speak!

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	28-01-2003 16:17									#17
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Galadriel...

If someone is going to make a LOTR-scenario, I might be helpful... I'm no great expert myself, but I know people who know a lot.

	28-01-2003 17:23									#18
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Just to clarify a few things:

Galadriel is a Noldor or "High" Elf and daughter of Finarfin and Earwen. Elrond is a Peredhil or "Half-Elf" being the son of Earendil (son of Dior who was son of Thengel and Melian) and Elwing (daughter of Tuor and Idril, decendent of Turgon).

So while Galadriel is pure Noldor, Elrond is part Noldor (Idril/Turgon), part Silvan (Thengel), part Maia (Melian) and part Man (Tuor). They are equally important characters.

Thranduil is the leader of the Silvan Elves or "Wood" Elves.

	29-01-2003 06:48									#19
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If you're doing a Lord of the Rings scenario, I would have Aragorn as a unit, not a ruler. Same with Legolas and all the other fellowship-ers.

	29-01-2003 07:37									#20
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That's exactly my point Don Homer. If you're only after a war-game feel for the LOTR scenario, then I'd probably make Aragorn a leader but, if you want to do the actual quest as well, then I'd have ALL the fellowship as seperate units!
I would also have certain fellowship members, like Aragorn, Gandalf and Frodo, have the ability to group units, like an army, to represent their "Leadership" abilities!
Just as a side note, I think that places like the Barrow Downs, Erech and Tom Bombadils house could be represented as forts or Airbases, with Tom Bombadil, the Wights and the Ghosts of Erech being short ranged "air units". What do you reckon?

Anyway, just a few thoughts. It'd be MUCH better if we had an events language, though!

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The_Aussie_Lurker.

	29-01-2003 13:11									#21
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if you want Galedriel as your Elf leader then use Queen Elizabeth. She'll do fine. I'm making Legolas because the model is already made and it can also be used for scenarios that are not Lord of the Rings.

	29-01-2003 14:58									#22
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Hmph...

Legolas...

Leader...

	29-01-2003 22:53									#23
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if you don't like it then don't use it. or make your own.

	30-01-2003 02:23									#24
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I'm sorry sween, but with that attitude you'll have every LotR nut hating you....using such great talent for a minor character.

And thank you for the names that slipped my mind, horseman and lurker.

	30-01-2003 06:20									#25
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well they shouldn't take it so seriously anyways. the pickiness is extremely tiring. he is a formable leader, mostly because he is the only elf the common person remembers from LOTR. the common person doesn't know who Augustus was, so Caeser is the the leader of Rome. caeser to rome, joan of arc to france, legolas to the elves. there really is no difference. i just won't post him here. no loss to me. and i don't see anything wrong with what i said before; we could use more leaderhead makers. would it help if i use a little smilie?

	30-01-2003 06:38									#26
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Ok... so he doesn't look like Legolas... all the better to be the "king of the elves"... so he does look like legolas....


hmmm what am I saying... to both the elven leaderhead and the orc leaderhead that isn't "ugly" or "green" or "heavily jawboned set" enough.... they will work 1000x better than trying to use Ghengis Kahn leaderhead as an orc and alexander the great's leaderhead as that of the high elves.

BTW.... I think that orc is the best leaderhead I have seen so far..... Good job Sween

I prefer generic mythical figures myself... that way it is easier to bypass the petty criticism... fact is all of tolkien's characters are fictional, so the leaderheads are only attempts at matching the current movie's portrayal.

	30-01-2003 06:45									#27
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quote: Originally posted by NeOmega hmmm what am I saying... to both the elven leaderhead and the orc leaderhead that isn't ugly or green or heavily jawboned set enough.... they will work 1000x better than trying to use Ghengis Kahn leaderhead as an orc and alexander the greatr's leaderhead as that of the high elves.

exactly my thoughts. and i made the orc that way because it's an average orc. not a urak-hai or whatever they are. it's supposed to be a little weasley looking things.

quote: Originally posted by NeOmega BTW.... I think that orc is the best leaderhead I have seen so far..... Good job Sween

Thank you, neomega. i was never going to post on Apolyton ever again but thought "hey, why not?", and you just made posting this leaderhead worth the trouble.

	31-01-2003 05:37									#28
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Sween - don't let a friendly discussion of the succession crisis of the elves get in the way of doing what you do. I apologize if my suggesting Galadriel as a more appropriate Elven leader offended you - I was just speaking in LotR accuracy terms. The orc leaderhead is damned good. And I hope we can get to see more of your stuff because I sure as hell couldn't hope to beat your efforts

	31-01-2003 06:23									#29
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Hey, don't get offended. Frankly I don't care which elf you choose to make, I was just offering my opinion.

edit- I logged in as Don Homer accidently last time, so that was me.

	31-01-2003 08:27									#30
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Hate to sound like a parrot, but...I wasn't condemning you either. I generally don't play mods, I was just commenting on a general LotR basis. That orc looks incredible, even better quality than the leaderheads that Firaxis made . Heck, that things uglier than Genghis Khan!