24-01-2003 07:24									#1
	Foreign Affairs discussion: Gift a base to Zakharov? Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

It has been suggested that we might be able to give a newly-founded Peacekeeping base to the University, allowing them to form a government-in-exile if overrun by the Hive. This thread is for discussion of that proposal. It seems premature to post a poll on it, so this thread is meant both to provide a forum to discuss whether this should be done and allow planning as to how it should be done, if we decide to.

Once there's a general consensus on a plan or several viable alternatives, I'll post a poll.

	24-01-2003 07:54									#2
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In the absence of any kind of peace witht he hive, Zakharov desperately needs somewhere to run to, so we should deifnitely give him a base somewhere. We may be able to retrieve it later by swapping it for one of his own liberated bases.

	24-01-2003 08:54									#3
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I support this idea on principle... but there's a practical matter: if there's suddenly a Uni in/near our territory, will Yang's troops come knocking? Are we prepared to deal with such an incursion? Or would the base we give be such that Yang wouldn't be in a position to hit us from it or near it?

	24-01-2003 09:02									#4
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The only reason Yang is concentrating on the university is because they're within reach rather than on the other side of an ocean. If Zakh moves across the ocean, Yang won't be able to hit them any mroe than us (although, OTOH, he won't have anything to distract him any more, either).

	24-01-2003 09:11									#5
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Ah. In that case, lets help Zakh out. We're gonna have to deal with the Hive either way, may as well save as many University refugees from Yang's madness as we can.

Time to wipe the floor with Yang

Or should we build bigger guns first?

	24-01-2003 09:34									#6
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We have all the toold we need either already or under development. Fusion Power will give us fuson reactors, and Organic Superlubricant will give us Fusion Lasers. That, mounted on needlejets, should be about all we need to crush the Hive (with, of course, some ground troopers to bring up the rear and garrison captured bases).

	24-01-2003 18:00									#7
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Why save the Researcher?
IF he IS killed then we're the Brightest Researcher on Planet.
Also I dont feel too comfortable with an ENEMY Base within Territory.
Slash n' Kill everyone is on its one and Zak is the Enemy of all Drones Yihawh!!

	24-01-2003 18:13									#8
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We should save him because you never know when you might need an ally. Besides, we research faster than him already, and even if he gets all hid bases back, he still won't be faster than us.

	24-01-2003 20:41									#9
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I have a question : How do you intend to explain that to the citizens of the given base ?

	24-01-2003 21:32									#10
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No worries. We just make sure this is a volunteers only colony pod.

Also, don't forget everyone, a Pacted Zak is a Zak who'll be voting with us in council, and there's plenty of votes where pop doesn't matter.

	24-01-2003 22:14									#11
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Archaic has a good point. But can we give him a base with good defense but limited expansion potential.

	24-01-2003 22:29									#12
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gifting him a base near us will prevent him from being wiped out by yang (probably) and then once we liberate all his bases, we can gift them back to him so he can do our research for us

	24-01-2003 22:38									#13
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Votes can be bought even if by eliminating those who oppose the Proposal.

	24-01-2003 23:12									#14
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Am I correct in thinking that the proposal is to give Zakh a newly formed base (ie one we haven't built yet)? Or is that still up for discussion?

	24-01-2003 23:21									#15
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I'd vote yes on a newly formed base only.

	24-01-2003 23:27									#16
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i can arrange such a base.

	24-01-2003 23:57									#17
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But the question is: do we have time enough to build such a new base? If we do, there is currently a CP in production in Sheathed Sword (or perhaps it's already finished - I haven't seen the save file yet) which we could send north. If we don't have enough time, I'd suggest to give UN Research Complex to Zakharov because the name fits his faction. But I can imagine TKG or Voltaire wouldn't like that. In that case we could give Metropolis or Ankh-Morpork to him. Many of the citizens of these new base are former University refugees anyway, so they probably won't have a problem with housing the government-in-exile.

	25-01-2003 00:23									#18
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I think it's important to make sure the base we give him isn't on the front that Yang will hit... UNRC doesn't sound like a bad idea, but I can see why giving him a pre-established (if small) base is undesirable.

	25-01-2003 02:55									#19
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why not just put it on that little peninsula east of...metropolis is it? SS's pod can go there in short time i think

	25-01-2003 04:00									#20
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Actually not. GT sent the CP south.

	25-01-2003 04:14									#21
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That was the closest base location on TKG's list.

	25-01-2003 04:24									#22
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Ah ok then. My apologies.

	25-01-2003 07:29									#23
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well...could we make another one?

	25-01-2003 07:32									#24
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Another what? List?

	25-01-2003 07:36									#25
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colony pod

	25-01-2003 15:49									#26
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will if we build a base i suggest it to be build north of us....because south of us....morgan might attack it.....on the other hand we wont be able to expanded north anymore....but i agree with maniac we need to build one fast

	25-01-2003 18:41									#27
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I ll vote yes if im sure theres enough volunteers.
But not north, we'd better keep this as a natural reserve of mindworms when we'll switch green.
Why not the small isolated island south west ?

	25-01-2003 23:03									#28
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because that would require building a transport ship, and we don't have that many ports on the west side...or do we? i know we have Xanadu, but are antioch and cyclops coastal?

other than that though i suppose that's actually a better plan.

	26-01-2003 03:51									#29
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Antioch is coastal, and with its 15 mineral production can produce a standard transport foil (27 mins) in two turns.

edit: I think there's a patch of fungus you have to go through to get to the open sea from Antioch, though.

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	27-01-2003 18:09									#30
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Yes, Antioch is coastal. I'll get back to you on whether we should buold a foil there once I've checked it's queue (it's past midnight here).