25-01-2003 03:12									#1
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We're almost to space flight, and I've been thinking. The spaceship is going to need some planning to get off the ground, but who's going to be doing that planning? The city planner because of the construction of the ship? The science minister due to the scientific nature of the project? A new governmental position? A joint venture? We might as well figure this out before we get there so we know what we'll be doing.

	25-01-2003 03:17									#2
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Both

	25-01-2003 04:37									#3
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The city planner is the one who needs to plan the various construction projects, but if the science advisor delays key techs too long, we could wind up with cities building unnecessary extra structurals, slowing down construction as well as the ship itself.

	25-01-2003 04:42									#4
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I think the Minister of Science is responsible for getting to the needed techs and the Minister of City-planning is responsible for choosing the appropriate cities to build the parts and keeping track of how many of each are needed.

	25-01-2003 05:25									#5
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So that's why you want to be cityplanner next month, Cavebear


I vote military advisor. He gets to determine how large a space ship we need, and which parts we start on first.

Citybuilds can stay with the cityplanner.

	25-01-2003 05:37									#6
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New position, or both of the city planner and science minister working together. Ideally, with the right timing, the spaceship can be finished just as we acquire Fusion

	25-01-2003 19:21									#7
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just out of curiousity - since we have had vacant offices each of the last 3 terms, and as yet haven't nominated someone for each of the 8 current positions, how practical is it to add a 9th (that just happens to overlap the jobs of 2 of the ministers we do currently have nominations for)?

Granted, we do have a couple new citizens this turn, and its possible some of the offices are viewed as not that necessary (do we really need an imperial expansion minister if we have already discovered the whole map? have we?) But we might want to fill all our positions before creating an additional one? Or maybe having an extra office is an incentive to get people to start more actively participating again?

thoughts?

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	25-01-2003 21:28									#8
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i say let the city planner do the spaceship stuff, with the military planners opinions too...as it may cut into his budget.....

there are too many positions that aren't filled

	25-01-2003 23:35									#9
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 So that's why you want to be cityplanner next month, Cavebear

That *would* be a reason. When I have built SS on my own, I've given it obsessive attention to make sure I get the best possible ship. I enjoy it. However, if you think about it, those turn-by-turn decisions of detailed production of the different SS parts are really under the control of the President as he plays the session.

And before anyone suggests that I should run for President for that reason, let me say that I fully support Ixnay for the job this time around. I think he is the perfect person for the job at this point in the game.

quote: I vote military advisor. He gets to determine how large a space ship we need, and which parts we start on first. Citybuilds can stay with the cityplanner.

I think the Minister of War is going to have his hands full advising on the defense of our cities while we attempt our conquest of the stars.

	26-01-2003 02:04									#10
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touche...... i can agree with that as well...i will go with the flow...really quite opinionless at this point

	26-01-2003 03:36									#11
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Another suggestion would be to allow a minister of imperial expansion to work out the spaceship requirements. This is only if we get enough people to fill this ministry.

	26-01-2003 05:25									#12
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I think the Minister of Imperial Expansion position is obsolete at this point (but could have a use again after the SS is launched). Given the difficulty in getting people to run for meaningful offices, I'd rather see additional duties assigned to the existing ones.

	28-01-2003 09:51									#13
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agree with cavebear....combine duties but dont' create new positions

	28-01-2003 11:31									#14
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once we get a bit closer to the mark, we can poll on the modalities of the SShip. Ie: small population but a large number of engines.......

From there it should be a combined effort to get the thing built.

	29-01-2003 00:28									#15
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Both, successively.
First, Science adviser has to conduct the research for appropriate techs.
Second, the building pregress depends on city planner alocating shields in cities.

But who asks the question of the kind of SS ? A minimal ship (15-4-4-1-1-1) ? a full station (39-8-8-4-4-4) ?CityPlanner will poll ?

	29-01-2003 05:03									#16
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quote: Originally posted by JCP But who asks the question of the kind of SS ? A minimal ship (15-4-4-1-1-1) ? a full station (39-8-8-4-4-4) ?CityPlanner will poll ?

I would think that could be assigned to the Vice President, since he is the one who posts the election polls. It is after all, an executive decision above the city planner, allthough the city planner could well poll to see where to stop building various sections.

Without knowing the state of our manufacturing capacity, I'd lean towards the mininalist with the 5.7 delivery time, so we don't sit around for 36 turns doing nothing but defend while we wait for it to land

	29-01-2003 17:37									#17
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I think it is the job of the Minister of City-Planning to maximize city activities in support of whatever the President and Ministers request, without being much involved in the determining of those priorities. Deciding the most *effective* way to support the various demands of our civ is complicated enough.

	30-01-2003 02:19									#18
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which ship size are we building

	30-01-2003 03:12									#19
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we haven't voted on that yet

	30-01-2003 04:23									#20
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I think the next Minister of Science should post a poll. It seems mostly like a technical question of size vs speed.

	30-01-2003 04:39									#21
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear I think the next Minister of Science should post a poll. It seems mostly like a technical question of size vs speed.

If elected, I could post a poll, or just ask my girlfriend

	30-01-2003 05:33									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man If elected, I could post a poll, or just ask my girlfriend

Um, Is she the "Six Thousand Year Old Girlfriend"?

	30-01-2003 06:01									#23
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Um, Is she the "Six Thousand Year Old Girlfriend"?

.

There's a bit of an age difference

	30-01-2003 06:38									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man If elected, I could post a poll, or just ask my girlfriend

*looks at a campaign promise*

quote: Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man Finally, if you vote for me I will do my utmost to get comely interns off the street and into my laboratory

does she know about this?

	30-01-2003 06:44									#25
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quote: Originally posted by SCG *looks at a campaign promise* does she know about this?

She'll look the other way, the way Senator Clinton did!

Back on topic... I expect some form of close co-operation with the city planner and the trade minister. Obviously if we coordinate our efforts the spaceship can be finished just as we research Fusion...

	30-01-2003 07:32									#26
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If I am elected as Minister of City-Planning I will work with all other Ministers as closely as possible for the greater glory of our civ.

	30-01-2003 08:32									#27
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at any time has this game been about a max score, b/c if not, why build a ship any bigger than need be

	30-01-2003 08:36									#28
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That's a good point that the science minister can present when we get to that point...

	30-01-2003 11:38									#29
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what was the point again?

	30-01-2003 11:44									#30
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What size the ship should be and whether we should play for score or to win quickly.