26-01-2003 23:04									#31
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Uh... go Bucs

	26-01-2003 23:05									#32
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And the NFL didn't take commercials from Las Vegas to air during the Super Bowl because they don't want people to associate gambling with Football. So OK, how many people here are in some kind of money pool, or laid down a bet on the game...

	26-01-2003 23:25									#33
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quote: And of course Gruden knows the Oakland defense inside and out

And of course Callahan knows Gruden's game plan inside and out .

Go Raaaiders!

	26-01-2003 23:28									#34
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I am shocked, SHOCKED to find out there is gambling on the Super Bowl.

Take the Bucs and the points. Raiders win by 2.

	26-01-2003 23:44									#35
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Yeah... I'm SHOCKED too

	26-01-2003 23:51									#36
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I bet you're shocked they played football in Champaign.

	27-01-2003 00:16									#37
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That was football? I thought it was one man's desire to grind back the clock to the "glory days" - you know, 1930, 1 yard and a cloud of dust...

	27-01-2003 00:19									#38
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MacTBone beat me to the punch... that wasn't football... by either team, The Illini and the Bears.

	27-01-2003 00:27									#39
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i bet 10 bucks with my partner at work...hopefully i can use that money to buy lottery tickets the next day.

gambling is my only vice

	27-01-2003 00:34									#40
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I used to think the problem was Shoop, noe I realize that it's more than Shoop - it's Jauron's unswerving loyalty. Jauron hires Crowton as OC and Shoop as QB coach - Crowton leaves for BYU and Shoop is suddenly the youngest coordinator in the NFL. We have little improvement in QBs, especially Cade who you would imagine to be Shoop's responsibility, and Shoop denies the need for a QB coach citing that it would interfere with his contact with QBs. This past year we have two handicapped veterans and one young QB that played in Canada, and none of them were effective. Pressure is put on Jauron to hire a QB coach and he drags his feet citing the same things as Shoop. Jauron is loyal to a fault and lets his underlings control him.

I would be very interested in taking Carson Palmer, especially with his interest in maintaining Norm Chow as his OC. Maybe we swing a deal for Chow to be QB coach, and the opportunity to continue with the organization if/when Jauron is fired.

I'm just tired of "if we didn't have injuries" and "if the guys excuted". It's your goddamn job to MAKE the guys execute. It's your job to OVERCOME injuries. I don't see any other team blaming injuries, they accept the blame and think of ways to change and improve.
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	27-01-2003 00:35									#41
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So am I the only one who thinks Raiders fans are the most thuggish brutes in all of the NFL? I went to the huge pregame party the NFL & the city of San Diego put on last night in San Diego's Gaslamp district and the Raider's fans acted appallingly. Not all of them mind you but a very large number of them were gang bangers who started fights and verbally abused person's who wore Buccs shirts.

San Diego is normally such a peaceful and polite town and these freaks had a virtual riot for no other reason then because they were drunk and they could. I mean these guys were worse then European soccer hoodlums.

	27-01-2003 00:35									#42
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Just remember the key rule of gambling...

ONLY BET MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE

	27-01-2003 00:51									#43
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On the upside the NFL Super Bowl party was a total blast. There turned out to be tens of thousands more people then the city or the NFL anticipated so the crowd was absolutely the largest I have ever seen in my life. For four blocks by six blocks it was literally standing room only (and for two miles around it was simply crowded but not standing room) with five stages of free music being played, five different half hour long fireworks displays being put on simultanously (I had a 360 degree view of the best fire works I've seen; literally every where you looked the sky was light up with fireworks for a half hour), and best of all was the women. Words cannot describe what I saw, my friends.

	27-01-2003 00:55									#44
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i got a tax refund i can gamble away all year!

oerdin, we take pride in our thugmonastic ways...

	27-01-2003 01:00									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Just remember the key rule of gambling... ONLY BET MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE

Can you give me a thousand dollars?

	27-01-2003 01:46									#46
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quote: Originally posted by walruskkkch Can you give me a thousand dollars?

Uhhhh... no

Just about 2 and half hours left till kick off. The pre-game stuff has been pretty grim. The old super bowl highlights that they are showing are ESPN II are far better than the pre game show.

*old highlights is the only way I'm going to watch the Bears in a Super Bowl this year*

	27-01-2003 01:48									#47
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85 bears!

	27-01-2003 01:51									#48
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Well that's the only money I can afford to lose, yours.

	27-01-2003 01:52									#49
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Well... this years Buc's Defense in the closest thing I've seen to those 85 Bears... close, but not as good.

Yeah... go Bears

	27-01-2003 02:32									#50
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I hear the Raiders are heavy favorites in Vegas. BTW CNN reports an estimated $6billion dollars is being bet on this game. Ouch!

	27-01-2003 02:36									#51
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Interesting news is that the starting center for Oakland missed all game activities yesterday so he won't be starting. There are also reports that he is at the hospital. Seeing as he is a pro-Bowler this could be huge.

	27-01-2003 02:37									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin CNN reports an estimated $6billion dollars is being bet on this game.

Ouch indeed.

Any vague chance of match-fixing going on?

Whenever there is 6 billion dollars riding on one sporting event you just know that some nasty people will want to guarantee the outcome. Doesn't mean they'll be successful, but you know that if it was possible then somebody would be trying to do it.

Hell, it happens with far less high-profile, less lucrative sports. Why not Football?

	27-01-2003 02:43									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Interesting news is that the starting center for Oakland missed all game activities yesterday so he won't be starting.

Lastest news says that he was SENT HOME and will not play at all. That's got to hurt the team.

	27-01-2003 02:43									#54
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About fixing - there are 22 starters on each team, they all want to look good on TV, and they can make more money than people can bribe them for if they play well. Not to mention the coach can always sub in someone.

About the center - at ESPN.com they were reporting that he was late for a meeting yesterday and was told he'd be siting out. This guy was injured the last 14 games of last season and the guy who is going to start today is the same guy who started those 14 games last year.

	27-01-2003 02:43									#55
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Let's get the game going.

Beer is in the fridge. A big pot of chili is on the stove. I'm all ready.

As far as the SB pool goes I need a lot of feild goal to take the one I'm in. I have 9 for Tampa and 6 for Oakland.

	27-01-2003 02:45									#56
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I'm set too.. it's about to start!

	27-01-2003 02:45									#57
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quote: Originally posted by MacTBone About fixing - there are 22 starters on each team, they all want to look good on TV, and they can make more money than people can bribe them for if they play well. Not to mention the coach can always sub in someone.

good point. unlike other sports somebody would have to bribe 20+ people with HUGE amounts of money to seriously alter the result.

	27-01-2003 02:47									#58
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Someone get me another beer, I'm too lazy to move from this chair.

We're gonna get all of 30 minutes build up here, I think. I'll be tanked by then at this rate.

	27-01-2003 02:47									#59
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If they were ballsy enough then they might be able to get away with just bribing the coach(es).

	27-01-2003 02:52									#60
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The secret to Super Bowls... don't start drinking until game time... or you might miss the last quarter