26-01-2003 17:21									#1
	Advising the other teams re: barbarians Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Until only recently, most of us thought that barbarians were sedentary on this map. I figure that we're not the only team that were living in ignorance up until now.
On Chieftain, barbarians are not a threat. They will only serve as an annoyance and somewhat of a hassle to most of the other teams. The possibility that one of the teams will get one of their cities sacked by a barbarian is of course very welcome but alas, very remote.
Now, this is just an idea, but I was thinking: maybe we could take this lemon and make lemonade (apologies for the corny expression). Maybe we could send diplomatic messages to all the other teams (except Vox, they already know) alerting them that we have just recently come across barbarians, and that there may be barbarians roaming around in their territory as well. Those teams who do not know of this yet will certainly appreciate the tip, and this could give us some credit in the future in terms of diplomatic relations.
Discuss.

	26-01-2003 17:36									#2
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Any team that doesn't know already will probably know very soon so I doubt this will cost us anything and might help to make us a bit more popular.

	26-01-2003 17:57									#3
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IMHO, even the teams that already know of this will appreciate this letter. It gives one a sort of a 'neighborhood Mr. Rogers' appearance.
Speaking of appearances, Sir Ralph's profile tells that he is a warmonger in Civ. Sir Ralph, you might wanna change that because it could give Vox the wrong impression... or rather, the right impression. Anyway, it won't give them the kind of impression that we would like them to have... or will it? Discuss.

	26-01-2003 19:55									#4
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spilling the barb news: sure, why not. I doubt it will net us much, but it won't cost us anything either...

DeepO

	26-01-2003 20:46									#5
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I'll send a note regarding this issue to GoW.

Nice idea Shiber.

	26-01-2003 21:09									#6
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Thanks. I'd recommend sending similar notes to all the groups (except Vox of course, since they already know about the barbs).

	26-01-2003 22:08									#7
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nice idea

	26-01-2003 22:18									#8
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Thanks.

	27-01-2003 00:44									#9
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No, send it to Vox also. They may feel cut out if they hear about it from another civ who said that we send them the message.

	27-01-2003 00:56									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia No, send it to Vox also. They may feel cut out if they hear about it from another civ who said that we send them the message.

We'd be insulting Vox's intelligence to send them a warning about barbarians when there's a barbarian standing right next to their warrior/worker team (and especially considering that Willy is already headed for the barb camp).

By the way, I, too, like the idea of sending barb warnings to the other teams.

	27-01-2003 01:42									#11
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I see your point, but there's a barbarian warrior right next to one of their warriors. They know for sure, and they know that we know for sure that they know for sure, and we'd look like complete idiots if we tell them something that they know that we know that they know, and I'm getting dizzy

Edit: crossposted with Nathan

	27-01-2003 04:43									#12
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Okay, I'm going to send messages to legoland and RPG too. any votes against this?

DeepO

	27-01-2003 09:25									#13
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Good idea, ND will be informed soon too

	27-01-2003 09:40									#14
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I suppose I will send a similar message to LI.


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	27-01-2003 10:12									#15
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I don't think that they would be insulted, but we would definatly look like idiots, which is exactly what sort of an image we should be fostering.

Make us look dumnb and slow and put them off their guard, and then strike them when they turn their back.

	27-01-2003 10:22									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia I don't think that they would be insulted, but we would definatly look like idiots, which is exactly what sort of an image we should be fostering. Make us look dumnb and slow and put them off their guard, and then strike them when they turn their back.

If there's one team in this game that doesn't have a snowball's chance in the Sahara on a hot summer afternoon of presenting an appearance of stupidity, it's us.

	27-01-2003 16:25									#17
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I agree. Vox wouldn't buy it - we've been too smart so far.

	27-01-2003 16:28									#18
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Voxing are going after the camp with on of their lookout warriors, so they already know about it...

	27-01-2003 23:37									#19
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quote: If there's one team in this game that doesn't have a snowball's chance in the Sahara on a hot summer afternoon of presenting an appearance of stupidity, it's us.

	28-01-2003 00:19									#20
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So, have any thank-you letters arrived from the other teams yet?

	28-01-2003 05:01									#21
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Totally forgot about it... just sent messages to lego and RPG

DeepO

	28-01-2003 05:47									#22
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First thank you has arrived, Vondrack is ashamed of our kindness

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	28-01-2003 05:48									#23
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Did he say if they had already seen barbs?

edit: should have checked out the lego thread first


Poor legos.

Is that how their score has increased more than others? the elite warriors and the 25 golds?

	28-01-2003 05:51									#24
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Nah... score hasn't got anything to do with troops, I think, and gold will be wasted soon. It's mostly territory, and happiness.

But I got a chuckle out of their message as well, only that reply made this idea worth it.

DeepO

	28-01-2003 05:54									#25
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Funny that we are supposed to be the cold blooded killers, and yet we share information like this that could help others.

	28-01-2003 16:39									#26
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Why don't we notify the GoW, ND and Lux as well?

	28-01-2003 17:13									#27
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One factor in score is how densely cities are crammed together. Our first three cities overlap, so each gives us less than nine extra tiles to boost our score. With a "perfectionist" pattern, it's actually possible for a new city to add more than nine tiles to a nation's size. I tend to suspect Lego of going with a rather loose build pattern. Also, Lego has had a luxury hooked up just about all game if I'm reading the hints in the early score data correctly, so the first citizen in each new city is happy rather than content once it's hooked up. That's not a big factor, but every little bit helps. Of course it's also possible that they might be building cities faster than anyone suspects, but I don't know how likely that is.

	28-01-2003 17:45									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber Why don't we notify the GoW, ND and Lux as well?

We should... who is ambassador to these teams?

DeepO

	28-01-2003 18:05									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber Why don't we notify the GoW, ND and Lux as well?

ND has been taken care of..

(I'm still trying to catch up with what happened the last couple of days :ekk: )

	28-01-2003 18:15									#30
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Alva, a lot has happened... do you feel like starting a history thread already, to document what you catch up to

DeepO