26-01-2003 21:09									#1
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He was a member of the Iraqi Communist Party. He hates Hussein. In 1991, after the Gulf War, he took up arms with his countrymen and tried to overthrow the Ba'athist regime. He says American heilcopters were present and just watched as they were slaughtered. He was captured and tortured by Hussein's men. He escaped and lived in a refugee camp in Saudi Arabia for years before emigrating to America. He's now a citizen.

He doesn't want the US to attack Iraq, and he has more reason to hate Hussein than any of the armchair warriors here.

	26-01-2003 21:11									#2
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We can go round and round bringing up people from Iraq with differing opinions on the issue. So what's your point?

	26-01-2003 21:32									#3
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why should anyone give a damn about what Iraqui people think?
saddam is evil and thatīs why we have to nuke the **** out of him!

	26-01-2003 21:37									#4
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc We can go round and round bringing up people from Iraq with differing opinions on the issue. So what's your point?

The point is Gulf War II is not about overthrowing Saddam, it is about replacing him with a US lackey.

	26-01-2003 21:40									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger The point is Gulf War II is not about overthrowing Saddam, it is about replacing him with a US lackey.

At the very least we can be sure it won't be anyone from the Iraqi Communist Party.

	26-01-2003 21:48									#6
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I hope the US forces can keep the puppet safe in Baghdad, just like what they do in Afghanistan.

	26-01-2003 22:44									#7
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quote: Originally posted by oedo why should anyone give a damn about what Iraqui people think? saddam is evil and thatīs why we have to nuke the **** out of him!

I think people do forget to pay attention to the fact that within those countries are many civilians. The simple fact is that the west doesn't want these groups such as that your friend was involved with che because they want the spoils of war, and they want Iraq within their sphere of influence, to be their b*tch, and to grab all they can, especially in terms of black gold.

Don't get me wrong, I have no like for Hussein, he is a murderous, nasty piece of work, but what is the alternative that is being pushed?

	26-01-2003 23:19									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I think people do forget to pay attention to the fact that within those countries are many civilians. The simple fact is that the west doesn't want these groups such as that your friend was involved with che because they want the spoils of war, and they want Iraq within their sphere of influence, to be their b*tch, and to grab all they can, especially in terms of black gold. Don't get me wrong, I have no like for Hussein, he is a murderous, nasty piece of work, but what is the alternative that is being pushed?

donīt get me wrong, I only did a test. English is my 3rd language and so it comes out that I canīt elaborate many things I actually want to say.
with this test I found out that it is easier for me to elaborate a pro war positon in English language. probably because it only needs a couple of short polemic phrases to defend this position.
consider my stupid post as cynical ironie.....at best.

	26-01-2003 23:25									#9
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"He's now a citizen."

How can that be? I thought we didn't allow communists to immigrate here.

	26-01-2003 23:26									#10
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"with this test I found out that it is easier for me to elaborate a pro war positon in English language. probably because it only needs a couple of short polemic phrases to defend this position. "

You are German. You are in no position to criticize other languages/cultures as militaristic.

	26-01-2003 23:38									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi You are German. You are in no position to criticize other languages/cultures as militaristic.

again you misunderstood. I donīt criticize a language here. my point is that it requires less arguing to defend a pro war position. the phrases I have to use are given by bush&co (evil dictator, freedom and human rights, etc. blahblah) and itīs almost only a copy and paste of short simple sentences. this is not a matter of which language we use.

schtonk!

	26-01-2003 23:41									#12
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc We can go round and round bringing up people from Iraq with differing opinions on the issue. So what's your point?

I know one from Kuwait

	26-01-2003 23:49									#13
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I once met a man from Iraq
Who wanted to sell me crack
I said no
Started to go
And went to get a Big Mac

	26-01-2003 23:50									#14
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I knew a young man from Iraq
who escaped their murderous packs
though now safely in the states
he wants us to wait
and for some reason not to attack.

	26-01-2003 23:57									#15
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youre all mad!

	27-01-2003 00:00									#16
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Ok, walrus... you win .

	27-01-2003 00:27									#17
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"again you misunderstood. I donīt criticize a language here. my point is that it requires less arguing to defend a pro war position. the phrases I have to use are given by bush&co (evil dictator, freedom and human rights, etc. blahblah) and itīs almost only a copy and paste of short simple sentences. this is not a matter of which language we use."

Just as easy the other way: evil imperialism, no racist war, no blood for oil, etc.

	27-01-2003 00:58									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Ok, walrus... you win .

I hope it's cash.

	27-01-2003 01:15									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi "He's now a citizen." How can that be? I thought we didn't allow communists to immigrate here.

I'm actually wondering that myself.

	27-01-2003 01:20									#20
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i thought this was going to be a good ol' southern "we dragged him for 5 miles from the back of our truck" threads, but then i remembered, Florida, not Mississippi

	27-01-2003 01:20									#21
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Actually, East Texas, not Mississippi.

	27-01-2003 01:22									#22
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Actually, East Texas, not Mississippi.

yea, but Mississippi is my favorite southern state to hate

	27-01-2003 01:34									#23
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Actually, East Texas, not Mississippi.

Yep, The two perps now on death row, and an accomplace serving life.

	27-01-2003 01:40									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola Yep, The two perps now on death row, and an accomplace serving life.

Though I'm against the DP, it's hard for me to really be upset about their sentences. They killed a man just for the fun of it.

	27-01-2003 02:36									#25
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Sounds like an interesting fellow to talk with. Are you sure he was a Communist though. Maybe he only knew haw to use short polemic phrases.

	27-01-2003 02:38									#26
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quote: I hope it's cash.

Like you'll ever win anything for cash.

	27-01-2003 05:07									#27
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I must say though, polemic is a very good word for someone who doesn't know the language. Methinks DL.

	27-01-2003 06:20									#28
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Well, it certainly contributes to the debate.

	27-01-2003 07:48									#29
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quote:
Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
"He's now a citizen."

How can that be? I thought we didn't allow communists to immigrate here.

quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I'm actually wondering that myself.

On an episode of Friends, Joeu told Chandler, "That's right. Rub that head. That will turn back time".

Do we see any similarities developing?

	27-01-2003 09:07									#30
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I had two Iraqi teachers when I was in the Army. One of them was a little old man. He wasn't a very good teacher, but he was very sweet and we all loved him. One day I walked into his office, and he was watching the news, and he was crying. I asked him once what country he considered to be his country-- America or Iraq. He said, "I don't have a country." I never knew the details of his life, like I did most of my teachers, because he didn't talk very much. I wish I knew what was going on in his head more of the time. He told a lot of jokes that no one understood. Mostly that was because he mumbled a lot. When I did understand him, he was very funny. He was such a sweet old man...