28-01-2003 18:13									#1
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Many of these "journalists" are attempting to incite their readers into commiting acts of terrorism and murder against westerners in general and Americans in proticular; Arab governments have done nothing to stop them.

Here's an excerpt from a recent U.S. News & World report article by Paul Bedard which was published in his weekly Washington Whispers column. For the full article go to www.usnews.com.

quote: A leading Arab columnist has declared jihad on Matt Levitt, one of Washington's top terror analysts. "It is hard for a human being to lie more than Natanyahu. However, Levitt tries," writes Jihad al Khazen in al Hayat, the widely-read, London-based newspaper. The former FBI terror expert is "a Likudist American Jew" who "doesn't see Israeli Nazi character," reads another attack in al Hayat, which has posted on its Web site a large photo of Levitt. Now with the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, the widely respected Levitt has drawn al Hayat's fire for his tough reporting on ties of the terror group Hezbollah to drug trafficking and al Qaeda, reports our David E. Kaplan.

	28-01-2003 18:19									#2
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Many? I only see one... And isn't that the full article, not a excerpt?

	28-01-2003 18:20									#3
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What I don't understand is if a neo-Nazi got and spewed their normal line of hatrad the authorities would come down on them like a ton of bricks, yet, when Arab facists advocate death, terrorism, and murder there is only a wink and a nob for Arab and European governments followed by endless talk about free speech. The people are publicly attempting to incite Arabs into commiting terrorist acts and so are creating a public danger. A public danger that is far more credible then the neo-Nazis poss but still no government stops them.

Why does Britain, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia go after these violent, murderous, beasts? Why do they let them keep spewing their filth and poisoning the minds of young Arabs? If we can lock up German facists then why do we balk at doing the same to Arab facists?

	28-01-2003 18:21									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin Many? I only see one... And isn't that the full article, not a excerpt?

I get the news letter and it is much longer. You could also get a hard copy by buying this weeks U.S. news.

	28-01-2003 18:28									#5
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Buy U.S. News? Subscribe for a newsletter? You must be insane...

	28-01-2003 18:37									#6
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The newsletter is free if you give them your e-mail address. There is nothing wrong with getting information from a number of sources unless a person is so set in their way they'd be afraid of hearing other points of view.

	28-01-2003 18:41									#7
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It's not a mather of point of view. I went to the site and couldn't find more than you quoted, with that in mind my questions about your title was in order imho.

I don't like giving away my email just to read one article. I get enough spamish mails as it is.

	28-01-2003 18:52									#8
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I'm afraid U.S. News does that alot on their web site. They only give excerpts of articles and if you want to get the whole article you have to buy their paper or subscribe to their news letter. Sorry.

You could just read the article in your local library or bookstore.

	28-01-2003 19:01									#9
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I hardly think my uni. library subscribes to that one. But that's hardly the point, I'm not going on a hunt for a single article to conduct a debate on a internet forum.

	28-01-2003 19:11									#10
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Ok, that is your right. BTW U.S. News is the third largest news magazine in North America (behind Time, and Newsweek) so it's not like I'm quoting some obscure source.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin What I don't understand is if a neo-Nazi got and spewed their normal line of hatrad the authorities would come down on them like a ton of bricks, yet, when Arab facists advocate death, terrorism, and murder there is only a wink and a nob for Arab and European governments followed by endless talk about free speech. The people are publicly attempting to incite Arabs into commiting terrorist acts and so are creating a public danger. A public danger that is far more credible then the neo-Nazis poss but still no government stops them. Why does Britain, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia go after these violent, murderous, beasts? Why do they let them keep spewing their filth and poisoning the minds of young Arabs? If we can lock up German facists then why do we balk at doing the same to Arab facists?

Because most of their anger is directed at America and Israel.

	28-01-2003 19:32									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin What I don't understand is if a neo-Nazi got and spewed their normal line of hatrad the authorities would come down on them like a ton of bricks, yet, when Arab facists advocate death, terrorism, and murder there is only a wink and a nob for Arab and European governments followed by endless talk about free speech. The people are publicly attempting to incite Arabs into commiting terrorist acts and so are creating a public danger. A public danger that is far more credible then the neo-Nazis poss but still no government stops them.

The excerpt says that the the journalist is a liar and a Likudist and that Israel is a Nazi state. Where does that incite violence, death and terrorism?

British papers have also called the US a police state with extreme christian views, and called Bush a liar and a moron.

Give an example of the incitement to violence, because these aren't.

	28-01-2003 19:35									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Many of these "journalists" are attempting to incite their readers into commiting acts of terrorism and murder against westerners in general and Americans in proticular; Arab governments have done nothing to stop them.

On the Flip side:

Many of these "journalists" are attempting to incite their readers into commiting to an invasion against arabs in general and Palestinians in paraticular; American governments have done nothing to stop them.

	28-01-2003 19:41									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Ok, that is your right. BTW U.S. News is the third largest news magazine in North America (behind Time, and Newsweek) so it's not like I'm quoting some obscure source.

The Sun and the NY post are large also...

So it's a magazine, not a newspaper. Oh well, then maybe they have it. And maybe I'll use some energy and walk the 15 meters to those shelfs tomorrow. I usually keep away from the magazines like Time and Newsweek as I find the boring.

	28-01-2003 19:46									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin What I don't understand is if a neo-Nazi got and spewed their normal line of hatrad the authorities would come down on them like a ton of bricks

Not if they do it on a website.

Many Neonazi-Websites are hosted in USA.

Why?

Because the american Right of free speech also grants Neonazis relative Immunity from prosecution if they publish their racist Ideologies (at least if it is done on Webservers).

	28-01-2003 19:50									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch The excerpt says that the the journalist is a liar and a Likudist and that Israel is a Nazi state. Where does that incite violence, death and terrorism? British papers have also called the US a police state with extreme christian views, and called Bush a liar and a moron. Give an example of the incitement to violence, because these aren't.

S.D.: There was the small part of the quote where he called for Jihad against the U.S.. Jihad is widely thought of as terrorist attacks against the "Crusaders and Zionists".

	28-01-2003 19:57									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Jihad is widely thought of as terrorist attacks against the "Crusaders and Zionists".

Ehh no...

	28-01-2003 19:59									#18
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Jihad is holy war. What comprises holy war is subjective but usually when extremeist publications, like the one we are discussing, talk about holy war terrorism is very much what they are talking about.

	28-01-2003 19:59									#19
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And besides that, I'm not sure from the little information I've got that that's the word the "journalist" or the journalist used.

	28-01-2003 20:00									#20
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you're confusing the word widely with the context of the extremists.

	28-01-2003 20:00									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin S.D.: There was the small part of the quote where he called for Jihad against the U.S..

That is not in your excerpt, and jihad also means struggle or resistance.

	28-01-2003 20:01									#22
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Well if you speak arabic you could go to al Hayat's web site and read the article for yourself. You might even beable to find an Arabic-English or an Arabic-Swedish translation site to do it for you.

	28-01-2003 20:04									#23
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Didn't Bush use the word "Crusade" at one point in reference to Iraq or Afghanistan or somewhere?

	28-01-2003 20:05									#24
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You know, first you make a point and then when some people are a bit sceptical about anything you say they should get a subscribtion or learn arabic instead of actually back up your words with some real information.

So, are you working for the paper trying to sell them or for the faculty of arabic at a university and need some more students?

	28-01-2003 20:09									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch That is not in your excerpt, and jihad also means struggle or resistance.

That's the strange bit. One would think that the actual phrase calling for jihad would have been lurid enough to be quoted...

	28-01-2003 20:13									#26
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The paper can't be too bad, because after doing a quick search, I found that Tony Blair wrote a letter that was published in Al-Hayat.

Details can be found here:

http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page6787.asp

	28-01-2003 20:21									#27
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quote: Many of these "journalists" are attempting to incite their readers into commiting acts of terrorism and murder against westerners in general and Americans in proticular; Arab governments have done nothing to stop them.

www.stickdeath.com

The last time I went there, I saw how US soldiers were forcing arabs
to eat ****, shooting them for fun, torturing their genitalia, et cetera, et cetera.

	28-01-2003 20:21									#28
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Major Arabic news outlets seem to be hit-and-miss in terms of quality, BC. That being said I'm kind of curious why Oerdin didn't provide a direct link to the article he's refering to (I don't care enough to search for it.) and seems to be getting touchy now that people are questioning him on it.

	28-01-2003 20:23									#29
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DinoDoc: I tried to provide a direct link via U.S. News & World reports web site but they won't let you view the entire article unless you are a subscriber. I didn't know this until after I posted the message and Kropotkin found that he was unable to access the whole article.

	28-01-2003 20:30									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin DinoDoc: I tried to provide a direct link via U.S. News & World reports web site but they won't let you view the entire article unless you are a subscriber.

Cut and paste it here then. It wouldn't be the first time someone has done something like that.