29-01-2003 23:54									#1
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Just what it says. You have three days.

	30-01-2003 00:06									#2
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I would prefer a pact, more for RP reasons than practical ones. I don't really expect it to happen, though.

	30-01-2003 02:31									#3
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This is not at all my usualy character, but I vote for Vendetta. I am a pacifist, but there is no place on Planet for teaching aggressive belief. It is in the interests of peace that we must stop militant religion.

	30-01-2003 03:25									#4
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we're not in a position to wage yet another war. i voted treaty, but i doubt it's possible

	30-01-2003 04:37									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue This is not at all my usualy character, but I vote for Vendetta. I am a pacifist, but there is no place on Planet for teaching aggressive belief. It is in the interests of peace that we must stop militant religion.

Hmm... I guess they won't be too shocked if we do that, stuff like that's been happening for a while. I won't raise a weapon against one of them, though.

	30-01-2003 11:54									#6
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Informal truce would be the best we could hope to get form Miriam, even if we were to give in to her ludicrous demands. Though even if we are at war with her on paper, no actual conflict would occur for a considerably long period of time, in short she poses no threat to us. We can effectively ignore Miriam and her flock.

	30-01-2003 12:32									#7
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Cedayon: What reason do you have for advocating that we try for a Pact with Miriam?

btw, I vote we try for a Treaty; for the Commerce, if nothing else.

	30-01-2003 14:41									#8
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Freindship, as long as we can keep Believers friendly. Get ready for total war, just in case.

	30-01-2003 16:00									#9
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I am more opposed to the Believers than to Yang. However that is not why I support a vendetta. We will never have peace while one faction leader wants war to convert all. Miriam cannot be reasoned with. She has a Jihad against us, and all non-fundy Governments. Yang will bow to military might, to a show of power. Miriam will bow to nothing, she would rather die than stop attacking us. The only choice we have is to make her choose death.

	30-01-2003 18:58									#10
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Cedayon: What reason do you have for advocating that we try for a Pact with Miriam?

There really isn't a good in-game one, because of how the game chooses to depict the Believers (ruthless Jihad-ing intractible zealots that can't research worth ****). A treaty would be just as good, I suppose, but if somehow a pertubation in the fabric of space-time were to get Miriam to actually accept a pact...

	31-01-2003 00:04									#11
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I can't see any use of miriam, I vote for truce, and start building up our army. We will have to fight her sooner or later.

	31-01-2003 04:57									#12
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I am voting for anything less than vendetta for practical reasons at this time. If we achieve Treaty or Truce, there is a chance she could intervene to our advantage with other regimes ( plus would we get trade points).

As in common with most all peacekeepers, she's not my 'cup of tea'. Thankfully she's not a serious threat at this time nor if we control things will she ever be.

My only caveat is if our allies call on us to intervene in a big way.

	31-01-2003 12:16									#13
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Zakh might want us to declare war later, as he is currently at war with her (IIRC), but that shouldn't pose too much of a problem. It's not as if she'll be terribly unhappy if war rbeaks out, either (the only people who will be are the guys at the Department of Global Commerce).