30-01-2003 00:48									#1
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We all have those nifty little quotes in our signature line. In playing of the demo game for the past 9 months, I have noticed that my style of playing has changed significantly. At the beginning, I had difficulty winning on even the easy levels. About a month ago I (finally) won on deity. I never paid much attention to diplomacy. Now I know how much cheaper it is to buy techs with cash, and how to (usually) avoid those wars you are not ready for. I used to play a fairly peaceful game, now I focus on war. All around, I have improved how I play the game, and I suspect many others have as well.

Last night I was at the bar with some friends, trying to convince them that this game really is all I say it is, when I looked at the coasters set out for our drinks. They all had different little sayings or quotes on them. Mine was most appropriate for Civ, which got me thinking about this little thread I am starting here. It said:

quote: All our foes are mortal. by Valery Tel Quel

I thought it interesting enough that I brought the coaster to work with me today, and started this thread. What quotes have you seen lately that make you think of the Demo game, and how it (the demo game) has changed how you play Civ?

GK

	30-01-2003 00:54									#2
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I've been trying to get my buddies involved in PTW to play me in hotseat mode...a couple of them have heard of Civ but aren't really in that world-conquest kind of idealism.

It's too bad.

You should have tons of quotes Godking!

I'm looking for one from Patton or Rommel. either of the two would do fine for me....

	30-01-2003 02:12									#3
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I haven't thought about how quotes remind me about the DG, however, I have recently convinced three of my buddies of my seperiourity in this game due to the SPDG and they are all out to get me now in a thread I started in the PBEM forum (The Battle for Cheese and Beer; we're all from Wisconsin).

	30-01-2003 05:26									#4
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Favorite Patton quote of course is the infamous:

quote: "No poor bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for HIS country!"

Erwin Rommel:

quote: Don't fight a battle if you don't gain anything by winning.

Thomas Jefferson:

quote: Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies.

And of course, my favorite source of quotes as he's from my home state, Will Rogers:

quote: Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

quote: I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.

quote: Take the diplomacy out of war and the thing would fall flat in a week.

quote: There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators.

quote: Communism is like prohibition, it's a good idea but it won't work.

John F. Kennedy:

quote: Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names.

Ben Franklin:

quote: Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead.

	30-01-2003 05:37									#5
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LBJ, on having a defeated opponent work for a campaign of his: "I'd rather have him on the inside pissing out than on the outside pissing in."

	30-01-2003 11:03									#6
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There is a moment in engagements when the least manoeuvre is decisive and gives a victory; it is the one drop of water which makes the vessel run over...

Napoleon Bonaparte

	30-01-2003 13:41									#7
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lotta good quotes there....

	30-01-2003 16:24									#8
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hi ,

"one thing is sure . we have to do something . we have to do the best we know how at the moment . if it doesn't turn out right , we can modify it as we go along ." - FDR

have a nice day

	31-01-2003 00:03									#9
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Vlad, that was LBJ commenting on J. Edgar Hoover.

Sean.

	31-01-2003 00:36									#10
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On the Demo and what I have learned:

The more laws and order are made prominent,
The more thieves and robbers there will be.
Lao-tzu

Democracy means government by discussion, but it is only effective if you can stop people talking.
Clement Atlee

The true secret of giving advice is, after you have honestly given it, to be perfectly indifferent whether it is taken or not, and never persist in trying to set people right.
Hannah Whitall Smith,

The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed.
Carl Jung

	31-01-2003 01:06									#11
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Democracy means government by discussion, but it is only effective if you can stop people talking. Clement Atlee

Fantastic quote!
May I use this in my sign?

	31-01-2003 02:25									#12
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I think Aro and I should hold a contest, lol, called "vote on da quote!"

I'll probably use Rommel's quote, unless others convince me to use theirs....

	31-01-2003 08:30									#13
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"We must do something. This is something. Therefore we must do this." Many world leaders today.

	31-01-2003 08:58									#14
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Quotations that remind me of the Civ3DG...

"Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice Doggie!" till you can find a rock."
- Wynn Catlin

"The Vice Presidency is sort of like the last cookie on the plate. Everybody insists he won't take it, but somebody always does."
- Bill Vaughan

"Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat."
-John Lehman, Secretary of the Navy 1981-1987

"Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital."
- Aaron Levenstein

"Instead of looking on discussion as a stumbling-block in the way of action, we think it an indispensable preliminary to any wise action at all."
- Pericles (from the funeral oration in Thucydides' Peloponnesian War, circa 460-455 B.C.E.)

"A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in."
- Greek Proverb

"There is only one principle of war and that's this. Hit the other fellow, as quickly as you can, as hard as you can, where it hurts him most, when he ain't lookin'."
- Sir William Slim

"Civil liberties are always safe as long as their exercise doesn't bother anyone."
-New York Times editorial, 1-3-41

"The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously."
- Hubert H. Humphrey

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
-Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

"People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war or before an election."
- Otto von Bismarck

"I must acknowledge, once and for all, that the purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis."
-Mr. Spock, Star Trek

"An association of men who will not quarrel with one another is a thing which has never yet existed, from the greatest confederacy of nations down to a town meeting or a vestry."
- Thomas Jefferson

(I selected the above quotations out of my list of several hundred that I have... I think they're the most appropriate - at least from my perspective )

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	31-01-2003 14:47									#15
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt "We must do something. This is something. Therefore we must do this." Many world leaders today.

RL politicians is it....

"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives."
- Abba Eban

"Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable."
- John Kenneth Galbraith

"A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground."
- H. L. Mencken

"Congress is so strange. A man gets up to speak and says nothing. Nobody listens - and then everybody disagrees."
- Boris Marshalov

"Every two years the American politics industry fills the airwaves with the most virulent, scurrilous, wall-to-wall character assassination of nearly every political practitioner in the country--and then declares itself puzzled that America has lost trust in its politicians."
- Charles Krauthammer

"The people of Nebraska are for free silver. Therefore, I am for free silver. I'll look up the reasons later."
- U.S. Representative William Jennings Bryan
"You shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns, you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold!"
- William Jennings Bryan, Democratic Presidential Candidate in 1896 at the Democratic Nominating Convention (in his "Cross of Gold" speech, one of the more famous speeches in American history)

	31-01-2003 15:20									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos "Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

If I were holding a contest this one would take the cake...

	31-01-2003 16:31									#17
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Mesh,

Yeah, that's always been one of my favorites, too

	31-01-2003 17:32									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos "Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice Doggie!" till you can find a rock." - Wynn Catlin

Arnelos, this one could take the cake, too...

	31-01-2003 18:30									#19
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"The world will be run by those who show up."

-attributed to one of the Greek philosophers.

	31-01-2003 20:46									#20
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt "We must do something. This is something. Therefore we must do this." Many world leaders today.

hi ,

, , FDR had it , most people today dont have it (!)

its better to make a decision that is wrong then none at all , .....

have a nice day

	31-01-2003 20:49									#21
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hi ,

"military action is called the ground of live and death . therefore , measure the ground in terms of five things , and make comparisons ; these five things are the way , the weather , the terrain , the leadership and the discipline .

Sun Tzu , the art of war , 1st century AD , .... nowadays teached in the US staff and command college , ....

have a nice day

	01-02-2003 00:57									#22
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I have that book

	01-02-2003 05:50									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Meshelic I have that book

That is a first and useful step.

You could try to read it now.

	01-02-2003 05:52									#24
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I hate you Devout



j/k

	01-02-2003 08:15									#25
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Wait a minute, this isn't the trash talking thread.

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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT quote: Originally posted by Meshelic I have that book That is a first and useful step. You could try to read it now.

Can that go in my sig, guys?

	01-02-2003 09:19									#27
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Didn't read through the thread completely, and forgot who said this one, but:

(upon being surrounded by the enemy somewhere) "At least if we are surrounded we can shoot in any direction and hit someone."

(that's probably paraphrased too. Darnit, my quote's really more of a half-quote. )

First they will ignore you.
Then they will laugh at you.
Then they will fight you.
Then you will win.
-Ghandi

	01-02-2003 15:48									#28
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hi ,

"it takes a remarkable person not just to say a creed and memorize a creed , but to live by a creed"

Stephanie Shughart

have a nice day

	01-02-2003 22:45									#29
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"life is but a poor player that frets and struts its hour upon the stage then is heard no more"

shakespeare

	02-02-2003 23:40									#30
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More Quotes:

quote: If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is tempermental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected. -Sun Tzu

On Artillery:

quote: Artillery is the god of war. - Stalin

quote: God fights on the side with the best artillery - Napoleon

quote: Artillerymen believe the world consist of two types of people; other Artillerymen and targets. -unknown

On Economics:

quote: Guns will make us powerful, butter will only make us fat - Hermann Goering