30-01-2003 20:18									#31
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Incidentally, did you notice that Tony Halme is going for parliament? I'm going to laugh my ass off if that joker gets there.

	30-01-2003 20:36									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Jaakko, it's the other way around.. it's the other way around..

Actually, I think Jaakko may have a point. I heard a story about two huge black-suit Teosto "agents" raiding Turkish pizza restaurants in downtown Espoo. They were looking for radios and TVs. Upon leaving they left a huge pile of official-looking forms and said that the owners had two days to "fill 'em up and start paying". They spoke Finnish and the forms were in Finnish also. It was too bad for them if they didn't understand it. Not complying with the orders would lead to unpleasant consequences...






















Okay, I made that up, but it's almost true, I assure you.

	30-01-2003 20:42									#33
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what's wrong with us? I mean if people raise their voice loud enough, it's going to be heard. In other countries people demonstrate.. here?.. maybe you get 50 people to join after massive PR and they're just there to get drunk. We have nobody but ourselves to blame.

	30-01-2003 21:10									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Jaakko, it's the other way around.. it's the other way around..

Start with you, Pekka, lead the revolution!

	30-01-2003 22:04									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Jeltz downtown Espoo

That cracks me up.

	30-01-2003 22:09									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka what's wrong with us? I mean if people raise their voice loud enough, it's going to be heard. In other countries people demonstrate.. here?.. maybe you get 50 people to join after massive PR and they're just there to get drunk. We have nobody but ourselves to blame.

The weather in Finland sucks. Who want to march in the streets when its -10 degrees?

	30-01-2003 22:30									#37
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This all comes about because "public performance" of records is prohibited. Tells you on the back of every CD. Essentially, that means that if a group of people listened to a single hi-fi together they would have to pay a royalty fee. I believe the "public performance" thing should be scrapped. How long before we have to first buy the record and then pay every time we play it?

	30-01-2003 22:50									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger That cracks me up.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The weather in Finland sucks. Who want to march in the streets when its -10 degrees?

Last I checked it was -28C. A good evening for a grand demonstration. It's not even cold yet!
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	30-01-2003 23:12									#39
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Well.. I don't care, it's not cold enough to get drunk, so it's not cold enough to protest!
Besides, We did make plans about taking Espoo under our military rule.. .

It's just that people don't care. They complain all the time, but when it's time to join forces, they just 'oh bachelor is on tv' and vanish.

	30-01-2003 23:35									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov Finnish day nurseries to pay royalties for nursery rhymes? It seems that Finnish equivalents of American RIAA, Teosto, which represents songwriters and publishers, and Gramex, which represents music producers and artists, want to force Finnish day nurseries to pay royalties every time nursery staff sings along with kids.

You don't have your facts straight. I just had a look at the Teosto web site. It's US equivalent is ASCAP (American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers) not the RIAA. This is a body that collects royalties from various sources that make a profit from playing music. Those royalties are placed in a fund and individual artists recieve a small royalty every time one of theire songs gets played on any media.

Every country has it's own version of this scheme. Here in Canada, I'm a member of SOCAN. So if I write a song that gets played on the radio, everytime it's aired, I will get a small royalty for it. The money collected does not go to multi-million dollar music businesses, which is represented by the RIAA, but goes to the individual artists that are trying to earn a living from their music.

However, I do think hitting nurseries for these royalty payments is pushing things to far. They should only be collected from businesses that actually use music in order to make a profit from it.

PS I just had a look at the Gramex site. That's more like the equivalent of the RIAA, though it sounds like they still play a similar role as Teosto.

	30-01-2003 23:54									#41
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	30-01-2003 23:54									#42
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ascap, bmi, sesac, all american royalty collection agencies.

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quote: You don't have your facts straight. I just had a look at the Teosto web site. It's US equivalent is ASCAP (American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers) not the RIAA. This is a body that collects royalties from various sources that make a profit from playing music. Those royalties are placed in a fund and individual artists recieve a small royalty every time one of theire songs gets played on any media. Every country has it's own version of this scheme. Here in Canada, I'm a member of SOCAN. So if I write a song that gets played on the radio, everytime it's aired, I will get a small royalty for it. The money collected does not go to multi-million dollar music businesses, which is represented by the RIAA, but goes to the individual artists that are trying to earn a living from their music. However, I do think hitting nurseries for these royalty payments is pushing things to far. They should only be collected from businesses that actually use music in order to make a profit from it. PS I just had a look at the Gramex site. That's more like the equivalent of the RIAA, though it sounds like they still play a similar role as Teosto.

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	31-01-2003 00:04									#44
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Willem, I'm sure that if you use their website as a source, even RIAA looks like a harmless group of little angels just doing their morally right work in a most ethical way.

	31-01-2003 00:04									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu Hint: Don't read infomercials.

Is that comment supposed to mean something?

	31-01-2003 00:19									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Willem, I'm sure that if you use their website as a source, even RIAA looks like a harmless group of little angels just doing their morally right work in a most ethical way.

Having been a musician on and off for about twenty years, I understand how these organizations work. I don't need to use their web sites as a source, I've had personal dealings with this type of organization. Like I said, I'm a member of the Canadian version of Teosto, called SOCAN. I've even made money from it in the past.

I suggest that before people start ranting and raving on this thread, that they take the time to understand exactly what these organizations do, and how they differ from the RIAA.

	31-01-2003 00:36									#47
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Sounds good. Did I mention that by reading this post you must pay me a royalty? Didn't know about it, well too bad. You've read the post so now you must pay. Send $10 to BustaMike for the initial viewing of this post and $1 for each additional read.

	31-01-2003 00:51									#48
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike Sounds good. Did I mention that by reading this post you must pay me a royalty? Didn't know about it, well too bad. You've read the post so now you must pay. Send $10 to BustaMike for the initial viewing of this post and $1 for each additional read.

And your point is?

	31-01-2003 01:07									#49
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My post was supposed to be funny. By asking for money for reading my post I was poking fun at Teosto trying to get little kids to have to pay for singing along. This is called sarcasm. People will often use sarcasm in ways similar to this in order to emphasize why something is silly or dumb.

And where the hell is my $10 Willem?

	31-01-2003 01:29									#50
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike And where the hell is my $10 Willem?

The cheque's in the mail.

	31-01-2003 23:18									#51
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i remember that teosto is trying to make church to pay royalty payments for Christian song's
weird?

	31-01-2003 23:32									#52
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quote: Originally posted by zapnic i remember that teosto is trying to make church to pay royalty payments for Christian song's weird?

They're definitely taking things to the extreme. Especially when you consider that most church music has been in the public domain for years, decades even.