30-01-2003 16:13									#1
	Finnish RIAA says "You will PAY!!" to pre-school children Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Finnish day nurseries to pay royalties for nursery rhymes?

It seems that Finnish equivalents of American RIAA, Teosto, which represents songwriters and publishers, and Gramex, which represents music producers and artists, want to force Finnish day nurseries to pay royalties every time nursery staff sings along with kids.

Currently most of the Finnish cities have an existing deal with Gramex to use pre-recorded music in government-owned day nurseries. But now it seems that also Teosto wants to have its slice. According to Teosto's rep, every "musical performance" that uses copyrighted songs -- including sing-along by staff with the kids -- should be liable of paying royalties to Teosto. Also Gramex wants to force the private (those not owned by government) day nurseries to pay for the records they use in nurseries.

In last year both organizations demanded Finnish government to abolish the system that allows churches to use religious hymns without royalties, even if the songs would normally require royalties to be paid (the copyrights cease 70 years after the original composer's death).

Source: Iltalehti (requires registration, Finnish only)

	30-01-2003 16:19									#2
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[Edit]: obviously I should read the whole post...

Last edited by aaglo on 30-01-2003 at 16:37

	30-01-2003 16:33									#4
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Now all we need is the US RIAA to follow suit, forcing anyone buying it's records to pay additional fees everytime they play a song IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR OWN HOME and the world will finally be rid of the corporate evil that is the Music Industry.

Seriously, it is astounding how assinine these guys are. If the record has been paid for LET IT GO! They have no business forcing people to pay twice for a product unless they really are trying to commit commercial suicide.

	30-01-2003 16:38									#5
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Horrible, isn't it. What's more surprising is that even this hasn't made the politicians slow down Teosto.

Teosto takes away a charge for every bought CD-R too. And to my knowledge the tax is much higher then anywhere else. And if they already repair the costs by this charge, then why the heck is piracy illegal? It's not piracy, since everyone pays Teosto for it!

I wonder what would happen if book publishers formed their own organisation and started taxing books with similar fervour...

	30-01-2003 16:43									#6
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every bought CDR??!!! for what?! why? how!

	30-01-2003 16:44									#7
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Ah...the Finns finally show their true evilness, RIAA is nothing compared to their Finnish equivelant...

	30-01-2003 16:46									#8
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Oh, and if you order chargeless CD-Rs from abroad, and the customs happen to notice them (i.e., they were ordered from a non-EU country ), you have to pay up.

Of course, you can apply to get CDs free of charge, but you have to be an organisation or a company, and the paperwork is horrendous.

FYI, I pay 10.90 e for ten 700 MB CD-Rs.

	30-01-2003 16:47									#9
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FFS... this is getting pathetic...

Teosto

	30-01-2003 16:49									#10
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This is ****ing outrageous.

	30-01-2003 16:51									#11
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Indeed. And the politicians don't give a damn, you have to wonder what sort of sums they are paid to keep quiet.

	30-01-2003 16:53									#12
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Actually I should be quite happy afterall... I'm a sort of musician...

	30-01-2003 16:55									#13
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so, corporate contributions to elections are legal, as well?

11 Euros for 10 CDs... . I am quite sure that we pay less. WAY less.

	30-01-2003 16:58									#14
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I saw a sale of CD-RW's the other day. They were on cardboard case, 1.20 euro per CD....

Yep, some sale...

	30-01-2003 17:18									#15
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YEAAH! Our RIAA is BIGGER and BAD! We rule!
We're the big brother and the muscle now!
Die without honour murrican "RIAA"!

Teosto all the way!!! Ain't no stopping us now.. we got the groove..

personally if some of these people happens to fall down in the road just in front of me, I'm not so sure I'm going to even slow down. What am I doing in this god forsaken evil country? Foooken commies everyone of them!

	30-01-2003 17:27									#16
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Taxis also have to pay if they play music from the radio when they have a customer in the cab.

	30-01-2003 17:29									#17
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really?

	30-01-2003 17:57									#18
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Did I mention that a tax on hard drives was in the works a while ago too? Don't know of the current situation, but I think it was scrapped. I hope.

	30-01-2003 18:01									#19
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What's happening with the hard discs? There was some talk a while ago there should be an extra fee on those too, since you can store illegal copies of songs and films on them...

EDIT: Note to self: hit the reload button more often

	30-01-2003 18:07									#20
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Why don't they start to tax concrete and metal structures too? They can carry the sound waves for long distances, even to the audiences not meant to be...

	30-01-2003 18:09									#21
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evil EVIL evil Finland

	30-01-2003 18:57									#22
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo Why don't they start to tax concrete and metal structures too? They can carry the sound waves for long distances, even to the audiences not meant to be...

Lol! So people living multi-storey buildings, row houses or near lakes would have to pay an extra tax on a pollutant pays -principle!
Yes, Teosto is even more effective than the Mafia. Teosto can make people pay three times for the same album. First a radiostation buys it from a shop and pays a tax for it, then the radiostation pays a tax again for playing the disc and broadcasting it on air and finally a customer pays extra for hearing the broadcasted music in a taxi!

	30-01-2003 19:02									#23
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This just shows the whole industry if full of rotten apples.

	30-01-2003 19:23									#24
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WHY is none of our precious 'politicians' even wondering what Teosto is doing? NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT! This is a clear message to the mob that Teosto is.. and it's 'go ahead, rob everyone, we don't care'. Time to really think about what should be done with these criminals. We, the people must stand up to these disgusting corporate people now. Taxis are WAY too expensive even now.. I took a cab, 7 kilometer ride (about 4 miles?), cost me 15 euros! I'm telling you if we don't stop this communist thing happening here, we're all going to be sorry some day. Personally, I'm moving out of here, but when the revolution starts, PM me and I'll pick up arms too .

	30-01-2003 19:50									#25
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I can bet Finnish RIAA CEO would charge his mother for listening the music in his own car on the way taking her in for Christmas

*yes mum this was 7 songs, at the rate 1.30$ but I will pay for you it's christmas *

	30-01-2003 19:57									#26
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damien has no mother.

	30-01-2003 19:59									#27
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OK than some family member - wife

	30-01-2003 20:01									#28
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Oh you mean Ms Corleone?

	30-01-2003 20:11									#29
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I wonder when Teosto thugs will start going around kneecapping people...

	30-01-2003 20:13									#30
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Jaakko, it's the other way around.. it's the other way around..