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Winston is offline Winston
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Another nutcase dealt with.

Hope he enjoys the next 50 years or so.

From Houston Chronicle:

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Would-be shoe bomber Reid gets life sentence
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BOSTON -- Richard Reid, the al-Qaida follower who tried to blow up a trans-Atlantic jetliner with explosives hidden in his shoes, was sentenced to life in prison today by a judge who warned him: "We are not afraid ... We are Americans. We have been through the fire before."
The 29-year-old British citizen cried, "You will be judged by Allah!" before being dragged from the courtroom in handcuffs.
Reid received the maximum sentence after declaring himself a soldier of war and denouncing U.S. foreign policy toward Islamic countries.
"Your government has sponsored the torture of Muslims in Iraq, and Turkey, and Jordan and Syria with their money and weapons," said Reid, who converted to Islam eight years ago.
U.S. District Judge William Young would have none of it.
"We are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid," said the judge. "We are Americans. We have been through the fire before.
"You are not an enemy combatant -- you are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war -- you are a terrorist. To call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. You are a terrorist and we do not negotiate with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice."
At that, the judge pointed to the American flag behind him and said: "You see that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America. That flag will fly there long after this is long forgotten."
Reid had faced 60 years to life for trying to blow up an American Airlines flight bound from Paris to Miami just three months after the Sept. 11 attacks. Prosecutors said Reid had enough plastic explosives in his shoes to blow a hole in the fuselage and kill all 197 people aboard.
Passengers and crew members overpowered Reid, using seat belts and their own belts to strap him to his seat. Two doctors aboard the flight injected him with sedatives and the jet was diverted to Boston.
Federal prosecutor Gerard Leone Jr. told the judge that in Reid's mind "the religion of Islam justifies the killing of innocent civilians. In his mind, the horrific and homicidal attacks of Sept. 11 were but a missed opportunity."
As Reid sought to justify his actions, several crew members who were on the flight looked stunned, glancing at each other in the courtroom and shaking their heads. One woman wept.
In Washington, Attorney General John Ashcroft praised the sentence and called the passengers and crew heroes who averted a disaster.
"The sentence imposed on Richard Reid says to the world that terrorists cannot escape American justice," Ashcroft said. "We will hunt them down, stop them and we will put them away."
When Reid pleaded guilty last October, he said he was a member of al-Qaida, pledged his support to Osama bin Laden and declared himself an enemy of the United States.
Prosecutors and the FBI said that witnesses reported Reid was present at al-Qaida training camps, and that Reid had help making the bomb from an al-Qaida bomb maker.
Defense attorneys said Reid credits his religion with saving him from a life of drug use and despair. They described a troubled childhood and young adulthood, when Reid was plagued by poverty, racism and crime.
In arguing for a life sentence, prosecutors this month submitted a videotaped simulation of what Reid might have accomplished, showing a fiery explosion causing severe damage to a wide-body jet.
Reid tried furiously to light a match to his shoes but he was unable to ignite the fuse. Authorities have speculated the shoes were moist from sweat.
One of the flight attendants, Carole Nelson, pleaded with the judge Thursday for a life sentence. "I believe that Richard Reid was on a mission of evil, a mission of destruction and a mission of murder," she said.
Federal authorities had been preparing for a high-security trial when Reid stunned prosecutors by pleading guilty in what he said was an effort to spare his family the pain and publicity of a trial. He pleaded guilty to eight charges, including attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction.

Drake Tungsten is offline Drake Tungsten
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May his ass-raping be long and painful...

Flatlander Fox is offline Flatlander Fox
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Indeed! Too bad we can't bring him to Nebraska to ride the lightening!

I wonder how long he will last?

Felch is offline Felch
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Amen

uh Clem is offline uh Clem
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Best of all, he got a speedy and public trial, right to counsel, informed of the nature and causes of the accusations against him, etc...all of that out-dated 18th Century stuff.

DinoDoc is offline DinoDoc
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Originally posted by uh Clem
Best of all, he got a speedy and public trial, right to counsel, informed of the nature and causes of the accusations against him, etc...all of that out-dated 18th Century stuff.

Being caught red-handed was a plus as well.

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Indeed! Too bad we can't bring him to Nebraska to ride the lightening!

I wonder how long he will last?


He didn't actually kill anyone, so would he qualify for the DP even in Nebraska?

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He didn't actually kill anyone, so would he qualify for the DP even in Nebraska?

The public would demand it, because it would make their lives in Nebraska that much more interesting.

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You are a terrorist and we do not negotiate with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice."
At that, the judge pointed to the American flag behind him and said: "You see that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America. That flag will fly there long after this is long forgotten."


only in america

Winston is offline Winston
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I doubt it'd be much different in Denmark if the judge was sufficiently pissed off by the hate speech of the accused, Gangerolf.

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He didn't actually kill anyone, so would he qualify for the DP even in Nebraska?


No. The death penalty isn't cruel enough for this bastard; we Nebraskans would do something far worse to him. We'd send him to Alberta.

We're sick ****s, I know...

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Best of all, he got a speedy and public trial, right to counsel, informed of the nature and causes of the accusations against him, etc...all of that out-dated 18th Century stuff.


Amen, Clem.

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That response from the judge did seem a little theatrical.

But he had a right to do it, listening to all of Reed's crap. I would have gotten tired of it too.

As to the sentence, the DP would be justified in this case if any. As I understand it, there isn't much difference between successful and attempted murder in many countries.

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More likely he was playing to his voters. I can't believe you guys elect judges. It seems so untamed west of you...

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Hang 'em high.

But this was a federal judge. Not elected.

KrazyHorse is offline KrazyHorse
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No? I can never keep track of which are and aren't.

I think you should elect Supreme Court justices. Make them do an American Idol type competition...

Sten Sture is offline Sten Sture
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No? I can never keep track of which are and aren't.

I think you should elect Supreme Court justices. Make them do an American Idol type competition...



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Why is it that after every conviction of a criminal, a number of conservatives on any given message board suddenly become ass rape advocates?
Is their respect of law just a facade for a lynching mentality, or do they get their kicks out of sexual revenge fantasies?

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Why is it that after every conviction of a criminal, a number of conservatives on any given message board suddenly become ass rape advocates?
Is their respect of law just a facade for a lynching mentality, or do they get their kicks out of sexual revenge fantasies?



its their secret fantasy.

I bet they wouldn't advocate the rapping of women prisoners

Park Avenue is offline Park Avenue
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Does Mass have the death penalty?

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I'm a bit confused. He received a life sentence for failing to detonate some explosives?

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english(and i guess american) law makes no difference in the between attempted crimes and succesful ones.

this is attempted murder so he gets a sentence similar to that he would have got if he was sucssesful( and not killed in the process)

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The judge waxing eloquent. The flag line wasn't even the most over-the-top! Fascinating speeches on both sides.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01/31/reid.transcript/

That flag will be brought down on the Day of Judgment and you will see in front of your Lord and my Lord and then we will know.

Stinger: No, in American law it makes quite a bit of difference between attempted and successful crimes. But if you add up all of the attempted murders here, I think the DP would be justified, if it is ever justified.

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Fascinating speeches indeed.

Fascinating also how, from the looks of him, he probably has it all figured out.

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