31-01-2003 23:58									#1
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We have some gold and we are about to have the knowledge prior to everyone else on our continent. We can initiate an intelligence coup by getting screenshots of our enemy's capitals and posting them back here.

Though embassies will be cheap at this point, we have limited resources to spend with. What nations on our continent should take priority in order to assure we get the goods on them, instead of the other way around?

	01-02-2003 00:01									#2
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Should this GoW deal go down where they pay us 60g in addition to giving us Horseback Riding, I FULLY support opening an embassy with the funds they give us, and using our own small stash to check out Neu Dem and Lux as well.

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	01-02-2003 03:20									#3
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Whom shall we "spy on" first? I vote on LUX, then GoW and then ND, in that order.

[ooc] does anyone know if they get a look at us at the same time that we establish the embassies with them??[/ooc]

Eta Tamali

	01-02-2003 19:04									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Dejon at the 1990BC thread: Embassy costs: Arabia (ND) : 36 Gold China (GoW): 52 Gold Ottomans (Lux): 45 Gold

Does anybody know how is that cost calculated?

	01-02-2003 19:14									#5
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quote: Originally posted by E_T Whom shall we "spy on" first? I vote on LUX, then GoW and then ND, in that order. [ooc] does anyone know if they get a look at us at the same time that we establish the embassies with them??[/ooc] Eta Tamali

I vote on Lux too. I am anxious to understand what happened to them.

	01-02-2003 19:32									#6
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Lux, then GoW, then ND for me too

	01-02-2003 20:45									#7
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I would personally vote on ND first. They are the cheapest of the three and probably will be our biggest rival.

For sure, we need to get them all established before we give them the opportunity to do so with us.

[edit]: I may amend that. Does anyone remember if you have to have an embassy to trade contacts? I know we want to have contact with Vox and thereby GS soon. If an embassy is a prerequisite, I say go for Lux first, then ND, then GoW.

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	01-02-2003 21:07									#8
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser [edit]: I may amend that. Does anyone remember if you have to have an embassy to trade contacts? I know we want to have contact with Vox and thereby GS soon. If an embassy is a prerequisite, I say go for Lux first, then ND, then GoW.

We dont need an embassy AFAIK.

	01-02-2003 21:17									#9
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I would suggest also that we choose the Lux Invictans first, for they seem to be the most dangerous at present, since, if Neu Demogyptica is to believe, they seem intent on either 1) starting a war, or 2) driving the Neu Demogypticans totally insane. All things considered, I'd say an embassy to Lux Invicta is the first priority.

Then I'd suggest one to Neu Demogyptica, just in case we can get a glimpse of this 'Lux Invictan warrior' near Neu Theban.

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	01-02-2003 22:11									#10
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Actually, the most dangerous are GoW. They intrude on our cities. I have no preference, but I can not see why we have such anti-Lux sentiment when only GoW and the jackass GF have insulted us time and time again. The bull is to be feared as much as the fox.

	01-02-2003 22:17									#11
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My interest for Lux results from their extremely bad performance till now. Is this an extreme low profile strategy or are they really weak ?

	01-02-2003 22:49									#12
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT We dont need an embassy AFAIK.

As I've argued elsewhere, that's my sentiment as well. We have absolutely nothing to really gain from an embassy right now.

A view of their capital? For 40-50 gold?!? You must be kidding! That's a horrendous waste of money at this stage in the game... we don't need no stinking view of their capital.

Having that money around to upgrade a warrior to a swordsman, on the other hand, might not be such a bad idea...

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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT We dont need an embassy AFAIK.

You just need Writing

	01-02-2003 23:57									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos A view of their capital? For 40-50 gold?!? You must be kidding! That's a horrendous waste of money at this stage in the game... we don't need no stinking view of their capital.

Yes that's true. A bit expensive maybe...

	02-02-2003 00:11									#15
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I would wait until one of them starts building a wonder. Then we use the embassy creation as a method of finding out how long it will take them to complete it. (Assumes they build the wonder in their capital.)

	02-02-2003 01:58									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos As I've argued elsewhere, that's my sentiment as well. We have absolutely nothing to really gain from an embassy right now. A view of their capital? For 40-50 gold?!? You must be kidding! That's a horrendous waste of money at this stage in the game... we don't need no stinking view of their capital. Having that money around to upgrade a warrior to a swordsman, on the other hand, might not be such a bad idea...

The Ghengis style for twisting words is contagious !

In fact, I am no really convinced that embassies are worth all this gold, but I was answering specifically to a question regarding contacts, ... as you perfectly know.

	02-02-2003 05:15									#17
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quote: Originally posted by dejon I would wait until one of them starts building a wonder. Then we use the embassy creation as a method of finding out how long it will take them to complete it. (Assumes they build the wonder in their capital.)

We can also see if they are prebuilding.

As for the intelligence part of it, WHEN we create an Embassy, THEY will also see our Capitol. Arnelos & I tested it out last night in an online game.

So the question more becomes, what do we want them to see?? Would we rather have them see a rich & thriving Madrid with Luxuries attached (i.e. at a later time) or a poor struggling Madrid right now.

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	02-02-2003 08:55									#18
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Well, yes, the Warmongers are a worry, as is their mental midget leader. However, I think that the sentiment against them is strong in Arabia and Turkey as well, and so I think a coalition could be effected to put pressure on all of their fronts, and smash them. They would do best to expand southward, for then they have a better chance of survival. As much of a sadist this Genghis Farb Khan is, he is not a fool. A kneebiter, perhaps, but not a fool. He will know how to control his country, I believe.

I also agree that embassies should not be established until our enemies begin work on their great wonders, so that we may choose one to finish quickly before the other poor fellows can.

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	02-02-2003 18:11									#19
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quote: Originally posted by E_T We can also see if they are prebuilding. As for the intelligence part of it, WHEN we create an Embassy, THEY will also see our Capitol. Arnelos & I tested it out last night in an online game.

Sorry, but if prebuilding means building a palace to switch to a wonder that cannot be posible in the capital, because they already have a palace there

I didn't know that the other civ gets also a look at the capital. In that case I say: Don't waste our money unless we really need the embassy or we are really rich (not likely). Let them waste their money instead.

	02-02-2003 20:48									#20
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Good Idea. Just make sure we set Madrid to build something military on this critical turn of intelligence. We can shift back to rexing mode afterwards. Then they might think we are emphasizing defenses. If they think so, that's good for us!

And please post screenies of the other capitals, so we can discuss them.

	02-02-2003 21:09									#21
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You know, I’m never sure what’s the point of embassies in Civ 3. Yes, having an embassy makes trade easier and the opposing civ friendlier, but aside from that, it might as well just be called the trade station. What does it do? You don’t get to know anything about the opposing civ except for a brief look at the capital. Big deal.