06-02-2003 13:10									#61
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Earlier on in this thread, the topic of continualty came up then got swamped by talk of elections and how long positions should be filled by someone. Lets look further into the "No-Con" vote as both a way to maintain continualty and as an electoral system. Have an initial vote to see who the "Leader" of the team is (and initial votes on other subsequent postions: IE DM, SMC, Commerce...whatever) and allow him/them to keep the position until such time as A) they give it up by calling a No-Con on themselves, or B) someone else calles a No-Con on them. Put in a stipulation that a replacement be named in any No-Con vote made so the No-Con actually turns into an election with two candidates. This will allow us to have continualty and still have elections.

Don't like the idea of not having schedualed elections? Them call a No-Con vote one a month irreguardless of the actual game situation.

Additionaly, this would do away with the pesky "impeachment" deals that are continueally plagueing the SPDG.

	07-02-2003 02:30									#62
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I agree with the opinions expressed here that a purely democratic system would be bad for the team. I also agree with the reasons given for it to be bad. You know, plans need time to be done. If the current president/ minister/ wathever knows that he will be replaced in a month he will not take too much care about long term planning. Or maybe he does, but then the new president heads the team in a completely different direction. These would hurt the team, and consequently all of us.

But also consider something that still hasn't been said here. How much can you trust in deals with a government that you know will be replaced in several turns? Maybe they want to declare peace know, but the next president preferes to fo to wat, or to change the terms of the deal. Our inter-team relations would benefit if we didn't have regular elections. Just give the posibility for the no-Con vote.

Also, the president should be the one who elected all the other officials of the government, because he need to be surrounded byt people he feels comfortable with, not by a random collection of apolytans. Just my opinion.

	07-02-2003 02:36									#63
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Don't confuse Democracy with Bureaucracy. One can have a perfectly Democratic system in which the executive power is trusted to a group of people who can make decisions quickly.

	07-02-2003 02:55									#64
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster Don't confuse Democracy with Bureaucracy. One can have a perfectly Democratic system in which the executive power is trusted to a group of people who can make decisions quickly.

Thanks for the correction BFM. Ok, then I vote for having a perfectly democratic system with the less bureaucracy posible. The authority of the executive power comes (and can be removed by) the people, but that don't limit their power unless they really act in a wrong way, moment in which the no-con vote is called.

	08-02-2003 21:48									#65
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Well, perhaps we shouldn't screw with a system that works until we have reason to change it. How about what we have in the SP civ3/civ2 games? - elections every month/month and a half or whatever for people who are in charge of ensuring their respective sectors (Domestic, Foreign etc) are taken care of, but aren't necessarily the ones doing all the work themselves (once there is work to DO that is ).

But we need far more flexibility dealing with humans than responding to the largely predictable AI, so I propose we say a resounding NO to any overcomplex Constitution. Just a few ground rules, eg polls must be put up on certain major issues, no cheating with or on other teams etc. Anything beyond that, say a conflict of interest, let's sort out as it happens. We have enough experience from these Democracy games to know what works and what doesn't. Let's wait until we need to take some action, and then use our noggins, good common sense and knowledge from what we did before to sort out any problems.

	09-02-2003 18:05									#66
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Just a few ground rules, eg polls must be put up on certain major issues, no cheating with or on other teams etc.

Agreed on the simple constitution. Polling can only be done if you can see the issue coming; otherwise, a small group of 'trusted people' needs to deal with it.