05-02-2003 01:17									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba I, and I'm sure many others, have said their peace about Civ3 and no longer come to the Civ3 forums. I just happened to be passing by today, for example.

i'm the same way, but i saw that horsie was the last one to post in the forum and figured that a thread like this would be

	05-02-2003 01:32									#62
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wow, this thread is getting big. i'm not used to mine being so popular i guess provocation works

as i expected, most people see it similar as i do: the game is fairly stable and most rant-reasons have been eliminated.


horsie, anun, h tower, etc.,
does that mean you don't play civ(3) anymore at all? or are you just not visiting these forums so often?

panag,
why a chat? i can't remember any features which were requested only in the chat (and not over the community boards) and which got implemented.

i wish, firaxis would have a kind of public "wishlist", where we could post our requests and they could answer with "great idea", "probably not", "no can do", and so on. the most frustrating part is, that we don't know, if they serious ly consider our requests or just discard them.
maybe coracling works

	05-02-2003 03:53									#63
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I don't see what the problem really is, anyway.

	05-02-2003 04:40									#64
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf horsie, anun, h tower, etc., does that mean you don't play civ(3) anymore at all? or are you just not visiting these forums so often?

I'm visiting these forums regularly to find out if multiplayer is fixed yet. If its fixed, and I mean reliable experienced players say so - not the Firaxis fanboy cheer squad, I'll buy the game.

	05-02-2003 06:22									#65
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i haven't played since january 2002

	05-02-2003 08:12									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I'm visiting these forums regularly to find out if multiplayer is fixed yet. If its fixed, and I mean reliable experienced players say so - not the Firaxis fanboy cheer squad, I'll buy the game.

But, knowing what your definition of "reliable, experienced players" is, you will never play. Your "reliable, experienced players" don't play it either.

ACK!

	05-02-2003 09:11									#67
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf horsie, anun, h tower, etc., does that mean you don't play civ(3) anymore at all? or are you just not visiting these forums so often?

I do not visit this particular forum regularly, nor do I play Civ3 at all anymore.

	05-02-2003 14:45									#68
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf wow, this thread is getting big. i'm not used to mine being so popular i guess provocation works as i expected, most people see it similar as i do: the game is fairly stable and most rant-reasons have been eliminated. horsie, anun, h tower, etc., does that mean you don't play civ(3) anymore at all? or are you just not visiting these forums so often? panag, why a chat? i can't remember any features which were requested only in the chat (and not over the community boards) and which got implemented. i wish, firaxis would have a kind of public "wishlist", where we could post our requests and they could answer with "great idea", "probably not", "no can do", and so on. the most frustrating part is, that we don't know, if they serious ly consider our requests or just discard them. maybe coracling works

hi ,

several new ideas and fixes where made during a chat , its also the best way to find out what the future holds , .....

the best example , panag , Gramphos , Mike , Soren and a couple others for hours in a chatroom , result , ..... Gramphos made his great tool , ......

have a nice day

	05-02-2003 15:24									#69
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I just never felt the need to criticize. I mean, by the time I got Civ3 they had all those new patches and such out. Same thing once I got PTW.

	05-02-2003 15:25									#70
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And we should at least give these guys the benefit of the doubt. I mean, nobody's perfect. Mostly these guys leave bugs in the program because they probably have a launch date to meet. And just after they finish one patch and play the game, they see problems theiy either forgot about or didn't think of before. Give them a break. They're probably doing their best over there at Firaxis.

	05-02-2003 15:53									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Centauri18 And we should at least give these guys the benefit of the doubt. I mean, nobody's perfect. Mostly these guys leave bugs in the program because they probably have a launch date to meet. And just after they finish one patch and play the game, they see problems theiy either forgot about or didn't think of before. Give them a break. They're probably doing their best over there at Firaxis.

hi ,

there is no such thing as the perfect software , software needs to be constantly updated , ......

when new problems arise they should be looked at , and a solution should be found , .....

they did a great job at Firaxis , okay most of us want more due to the fact that CIV III is addictive and due to the fact that we shall never be satisfied , and that is a good thing , because if you are satisfied that means you dont want anything new anymore , ...

CIV III gives an endless amount of options , they tend to please almost everyone , .......


not the small 0.0000001 percent off course , that's the number of people you can never please , ....

have a nice day

	06-02-2003 03:41									#72
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And how about this:

"you will NEVER be able to trigger events or such in the game" ...?

	06-02-2003 03:53									#73
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Never is harsh word.

Since it is in the Firaxis wish-list, there is probably a possibility of getting it in some future XP (if there is any).

	06-02-2003 04:00									#74
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Well, they said it themselfes: NEVER

	06-02-2003 04:12									#75
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Scripting language != Event editor

Scripting language == Never

	06-02-2003 05:15									#76
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Mike Beer doesan't like scripting languages, this is true. He told me that there are other ways to provide scripting than languages.

	06-02-2003 05:26									#77
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Like simple event editor.
(not event language)

	07-02-2003 20:21									#78
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I only have a stake in criticizing something that can be fixed. Civ3, I've come to believe, is beyond fixing. So there's no need to make any more fuss about it. Better luck next time, Firaxis?

--Yin

P.S. I hate to admit this in public, but I actually hold out some hope for the Gold Edition. My guess is Firaxis is pretty embarrased by releasing such a shoddy game and they might be looking to prove they didn't completely implode once Brian left...

Last edited by yin26 on 07-02-2003 at 23:09

	07-02-2003 21:51									#79
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Down with the Firaxist???

No game is perfect.....it's just how bad are they...
If they write a perfect game today, what can they improve for the future ones?

It's just like windows. If windows stop crashing on you, will you be waiting for the next edition hoping that it won't crash? or at least won't crash that many times an hour?

	08-02-2003 00:01									#80
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Where is coracle when you need him

	09-02-2003 19:31									#81
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I believe there is much less criticism because it did not serve any purpose to those who have now left. Many of you in this forum have raised issues and have seen a response from Firaxis, so the forum serves your purpose. The others who were here did not join Apolyton to criticise Civ III, but because they were huge fans of the Civ series. They raised critcism because they felt the series had more potential than was realised by this game, but that was not addressed and so there was no purpose in their time spent here.

For me PtW is largely pointless. I do not think we need new graphics in an expansion when members of the online community can put together a fantastic collection themselves. I don't want more Civs, I just don't see the point. So all it provided to me was multiplayer which i have not yet been able to use (I didn't see much benefit to the SP game). This highlighted that Civ III was developed and is being supported for a community that does not share my views on how the game should feel. If that community is the majority then Firaxis and Infograms are making a sensible choice by satisfying as many of their customers as possible. Continuous complaints will change nothing.

In it's current form Civ III is a stable and enjoyable game. I have been looking around the boards today to see if anyone has put together a good scenario, or a map that would force more strategic choices into the game. I thought this would capture my interest in the game again. I haven't found anything so if someone could point me in the right direction it would be appreciated.

I have fun with the game, but it still feels like it could have been better.

	09-02-2003 21:53									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Mikel (I didn't see much benefit to the SP game).

Hmmm?

I'm, uh, pretty good at Civ3... I ruled on emperor pre-PTW, and since then have had a seriously challenging AI civ opponent in almost every game.

Not that there aren't things I would still criticize, but I / we spent a lot of time asking Firaxis *specifically* for stronger AI behavior, and we got it.

And that's on top of fixing what a lot of flamers were going on about... CFing, etc.

(cough cough... but where's EVENT SCRIPTING... cough cough)

	10-02-2003 00:09									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Mikel In it's current form Civ III is a stable and enjoyable game. I have been looking around the boards today to see if anyone has put together a good scenario, or a map that would force more strategic choices into the game. I thought this would capture my interest in the game again. I haven't found anything so if someone could point me in the right direction it would be appreciated.

Shameless plug: Tried this ?
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Especialy if your average games end before modern era.
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	10-02-2003 01:34									#84
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I agree with Mikel about the expansion, to a point. Theseus is right in saying that the game has been made harder, but I consider that patch material. Thus we're left with new playable civs and (weak) MP. This is not the kind of thing I like paying 40-50CAN for. Come to think of it, very few expansions in computer games are really worth the additional money. PTW was supposed to change this by offering a whole new Civ3 experience: MP play.

Still, I'm glad I own the product now, just so that I can keep up with the community here (PTW DG, AU, Strat PBEMs). If only MP were better I would not be ranting at all.


Dominae

	10-02-2003 02:38									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae If only MP were better I would not be ranting at all.

The fat lady ain't singin' yet.

	10-02-2003 02:43									#86
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither The fat lady ain't singin' yet.

PTW comes with a fat lady!? Where's mine?




Dominae

	10-02-2003 02:48									#87
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She's tuning up for her performance. It should be a good one.

	10-02-2003 04:13									#88
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 P.S. I hate to admit this in public, but I actually hold out some hope for the Gold Edition. My guess is Firaxis is pretty embarrased by releasing such a shoddy game and they might be looking to prove they didn't completely implode once Brian left...

Pfft... and to think I looked up to you.

	11-02-2003 11:15									#89
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither She's tuning up for her performance. It should be a good one.

are you sure it isn't Sid?

	13-02-2003 03:45									#90
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither She's tuning up for her performance. It should be a good one.

didn't she choke to death when she accidentally inhaled the civ3 LE tin during the warm-up?