02-02-2003 22:13									#1
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I saw in Friday's WSJ that the FM of France (de Villepin?) said that there was nothing in the letter of the 8 that disagreed with common European policy, and they could contribute to the debate. No mention of vassals, or problems with the procedure, or anything like that.

	02-02-2003 22:54									#2
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Hey! How accomodating of them! To "allow" fellow member states (they're not all applicants-waiting-in-the-wings, as I recall) to contribute to the debate!

Ahhhh....the French.....

-=Vel=-

	02-02-2003 23:04									#3
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I read in the paper today that the letter was the idea of the editor of the Wall Street Journal.

	02-02-2003 23:15									#4
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I've always found it arrogant how the Franco-German axis appointed themselves as the decision making body for the entire EU. If any of the other member states ever disagrees with them then they get called American lackeys, anti-European, dirty capitalist pig-dogs, or what have you.

	02-02-2003 23:17									#5
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I agree. Down with the axis! Up with the smaller members!

	02-02-2003 23:18									#6
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BTW the reason the French are mellowing out with the retoric is because they are now setting the stage for their last minute about face which they are going to do at the U.N.. Does anyone doubt this? Does anyone think the whole French pro- Saddam stance was anything more then an attempt to squeeze Washington for a few more concessions?

	02-02-2003 23:22									#7
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Couldn't agree more, Oerdin....we'll see, but I'm not gonna be surprised in the least if that's not just how it goes.

-=Vel=-

PS: And in the latest breaking news, the French PM said it was okay if England's Tony Blair wanted to go out and play for a while.....

	02-02-2003 23:23									#8
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I think French are going along with the program Oerdin.. I think they have just been playing some games, and they have already made up their minds. Just to beat their chests 'we are taking orders from no one!'. That's it..

	02-02-2003 23:26									#9
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I think it will be interesting to see how France plays it after Powell's presentation on Wednesday. This would be a good time for France and Russia to come around to the winning side.

	02-02-2003 23:26									#10
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Everyone in the end does what the US says. Sad but true. EVEN FRANCE.

	02-02-2003 23:29									#11
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French are just scared of Denmark and their army of Rasmussens.

	02-02-2003 23:44									#12
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Who wouldn't be afraid of Denmarks army? All those Brigitte Nielsen Amazon Fighters... but I'd like to wrestle them. Naked.

	03-02-2003 00:08									#13
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Who wouldn't?

	03-02-2003 00:25									#14
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quote: All those Brigitte Nielsen Amazon Fighters... but I'd like to wrestle them. Naked.

Provides interesting contrast with Pekka's earlier "Up with the smaller members!" quote.

	03-02-2003 00:31									#15
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When France sends its carrier and troops to the Gulf (which will happen shortly before the war starts), you can be sure the French demonstrations against this will be pathetically empty.
Our glorious government has made the people completely asleep, and prone to accept whatever it does. Chirac has earned a big popularity with his chest-beating, and won't lose it when he'll follow America.
He is extremely skilled in that

	03-02-2003 00:33									#16
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HOwever, I've read yesterday in Libération that blair suggested a second UN resolution. You can expect France and Germany backing this second resolution, which will postpone the war, but makes even more sure it'll happen eventually.

	03-02-2003 00:33									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu Provides interesting contrast with Pekka's earlier "Up with the smaller members!" quote.

Pekka, do you have something to tell us about a small member?

	03-02-2003 00:55									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor When France sends its carrier and troops to the Gulf

The Charles De Gaulle??? Theyve fixed it?????

	03-02-2003 00:59									#19
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Last I heard it was having trouble going daster then half speed plus it was experiencing a host of other gremlins. Hopefully they've been able to sort out and fix all the the designs short comings.

	03-02-2003 01:03									#20
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AFAIK (I've lost track with the Charles de Gaulle long ago, so new problems can have arisen), the problems were :

- a crappy second propeller, which had to be remade completely : to finish before the deadline, the supplier rushed the propeller, which broke at first use
- a too short launching pad for a British fighter in development

France has sent the Charles de Gaulle in the Indian Ocean during the Afghani war, so I guess it should be able to move now

	03-02-2003 01:09									#21
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On the contrary, it is very well known that I have rather large beast. But, I'm not looking to get banned so I drop the subject right here.