03-02-2003 02:28									#31
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's a bullet.

Mystery explained.

	03-02-2003 02:29									#32
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No its a friggin PILL!!!!!! (or is it a bullet? )

	03-02-2003 02:33									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II Oh and jays are 10 tens unhealthier for your lungs than 1 cigarette.

Actually, only four to five times.

It's a bullet. The cartoon isn't about drugs perse, it's a bout legal things which kill lots of people versus one illegal thing which doesn't kill anyone. Furthermore, Mr. Jay's thought cloud says "dum-dum," which is a type of bullet.

	03-02-2003 02:36									#34
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Cartoon's are bad ... m'kay?

	03-02-2003 02:36									#35
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Actually Dildo's are legal.

Dildos.. kill people????

	03-02-2003 02:41									#36
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Calc -

quote: its called killing brain cells. Dont deny it folks. At least know as you're doing it.

How many brain cells died typing that? Brain cells die all the time, and inhaling any smoke probably kills a few more, but what if the pot relieves pressure on certain blood vessels, etc? Stress probably kills brain cells, so relieving stress with pot may save some.

quote: Oh and jays are 10 tens unhealthier for your lungs than 1 cigarette.

Yeah, the graveyards are full of pot smokers who died from lung cancer, heart disease and emphesema.

	03-02-2003 02:48									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Calc - How many brain cells died typing that? Brain cells die all the time, and inhaling any smoke probably kills a few more, but what if the pot relieves pressure on certain blood vessels, etc? Stress probably kills brain cells, so relieving stress with pot may save some. Yeah, the graveyards are full of pot smokers who died from lung cancer, heart disease and emphesema.

Pot does kill brain cells. Other activities do kill brain cells as well but you cant discredit that pot does kill them. In addition Im not quite sure if you can see it that way either.

Cigarette smoking is habitual, where as pot smoking is recreational and not done per daily basis. I'm not the only one who stated this (Che said 4-5 times, I wasnt sure of exact number anyway) so clearly Im not making this up


Offended that your favorite hobby is not as safe as you thoguht it was?

Do what I do... Just smoke up and forgetta bout it~

Oh and brain cells dont die "all the time". Neuron cell's lifespan isnt like a cheek cells for example.

	03-02-2003 03:15									#38
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"it's a bout legal things which kill lots of people versus one illegal thing which doesn't kill anyone."

Then why is a card featured there?

	03-02-2003 03:18									#39
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wait a min... gamboling and drinking is legal... hah, I knew it.. its about drug. So that dildo looking thing is a pill or a dildo.

(while you may say pill is more like a drug. Perhaps you should try asking people if you can get addicted to dildo practicing. )

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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi "it's a bout legal things which kill lots of people versus one illegal thing which doesn't kill anyone." Then why is a card featured there?

I wouldn't use the word featured, seeing as it's behind a beer can.

Note the caption in that panel, 'The Sin Lobby Gins Up For Another Year." So I was wrong, I was close.

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Yeah!~ you lose~ you snooze! (calc asks like a brat)

no seriously you admitted your wrongness. hee hee. How noble of you. Well but its not such a good thing to identify immediately something to be a pill either... that tells you alot about my character and whats comes to my mind first...

	03-02-2003 03:26									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II wait a min... gamboling and drinking is legal... hah, I knew it.. its about drug. So that dildo looking thing is a pill or a dildo.

Can you READ!?!

Mr Jay thinks . o 0 (OH WOW . . . LOOK AT ALL THE BIG NAMES!) . o 0 (BUTTSY . . . BREWSKI . . . DUM DUM . . .)

Buttsy is the cigarette in the lower left-hand corner.
Brewski is the beer in the lower right-hand corner.
Dum-Dum is the bullet, greeting Buttsy.

A dum-dum is a bullet with part of it's tip shaved off. This makes it more lethal.

	03-02-2003 04:49									#43
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quote: Cigarette smoking is habitual, where as pot smoking is recreational and not done per daily basis. I'm not the only one who stated this (Che said 4-5 times, I wasnt sure of exact number anyway) so clearly Im not making this up

If pot was legalized, many would probably chain smoke it, as it would be much, much cheaper than it is now, and there would be no legal consequences one has to dodge. Is this good? Is this bad? I dunno the answer to that.

I figure tahat if people wanna smoke cigs, its ok, Im pro-choice like that. And so logically if I think its ok for people to smoke cigs if they want to even if they know its bad for them, then whats wrong with people smoking weed? But I've also been raised under the whole, "Dont do drugs because they are BAD!" thingymabob, so OTOH I think drugs are bad and should remain illegal... Perhaps if there were some evidence to suggest that it kills large amounts of brain cells then that would be a good reason to keep it illegalized, as we dont want a nation (nor a world for that matter) of dead heads.

Does anybody know any hard facts and statistics on marajuana and its effects on health?
Any credible websites?

Kman

	03-02-2003 04:51									#44
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Dum Dum is definitely a bullet. He's an old character from the strip. Brewski's appeared several times also.

A true Doonesbury fan knows all the minor characters.

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	03-02-2003 04:57									#45
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quote: Originally posted by ThePlagueRat And a most effective cure for gluecoma, astma, stress, eatingdisturbance, among other things...

It's not a cure for anything, it just relieves some of the symptoms of certain conditions. As for asthma, if your lungs are ****ed, the last you want to be doing is smoking a joint.

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quote: Originally posted by DuncanK Most people who smoke marijuana quit before it kills them, like me. Cigarettes are harder to quit.

I challenge you to provide me with a single concrete example where smoking marijuana has killed anyone.

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Smoking doesn't kill people, man. Cancer kills people.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin By and large the people who are push for medical marijuana are just addicts who are looking for a way to ligitimize their addiction. Their goal is to get high and the suppression of simptums is an added benifet.

And of course you can provide conclusive proof that marijuana is physically addictive?

	03-02-2003 05:06									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Gatekeeper I'm sure all you pot backers will hop on that airliner with the stoned pilot then, won't you? After all, it ain't any worse that smoking and, God knows, it even reduces the effects of illnesses! Gatekeeper

I'd rather get on a plane with a stoned pilot than one who's drunk.

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quote: Originally posted by Calc II Oh and jays are 10 tens unhealthier for your lungs than 1 cigarette.

And you have some proof to back up your claim?

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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman Does anybody know any hard facts and statistics on marajuana and its effects on health? Any credible websites? Kman

Over twenty years ago, Canada studied the effects of marijuana under the authority of what was then called the LeDain Commision. They ascertained then that the health and social effects of smoking marijuana were negligable, and they recommended that, at the very least, it should be decriminalized. In all that time, there hasn't been a single study that has proven them wrong.

PS Here's a link:

Ledain Commision report

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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman If pot was legalized, many would probably chain smoke it, as it would be much, much cheaper than it is now, and there would be no legal consequences one has to dodge. Is this good? Is this bad? I dunno the answer to that.

Well, cannabis as a drug is illegal in Finland, too, but there's a long tradition of home-growing around here (and it's legal - for ornamental purposes ). Often, when people get the goodies harvested, they'll pretty much chain-smoke (at least a bowl/day... not nearly as much as the nicotine-addicts though) MJ as long as the stuff lasts - usually around a month to three months (just an estimation...). I know some of those people, and they all seemed normal, both mentally and physically during that "period". Of course, some effects are noticable, like mild impairment of short-term memory and reasoning (they will recover when you stop smoking). Physical effects are fatigue/etc... like with smoking tobacco.

I, myself, probably wouldn't start smoking MJ every day (but yes, I do smoke it every now and then), for the reasons above - I want my mind to be clear most of the time. But one thing is for sure, though - If I drank alcohol enough to be intoxicated every day, I'd be in FAR worse condition after 3-4 days than I'd be from MJ after a month.

So, basically, pot is bad for your health - but don't let that fact blind you; there are many things far worse that you can harm yourself with and that are 100% legal.

	03-02-2003 07:14									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Gatekeeper - Why? Does my support for legalised alcohol require me to board a plane flown by a drunk? Tell us, should we incarcerate the millions of people who use alcohol because of drunk pilots? Should I advocate outlawing sleep because a pilot might fall asleep at the controls?

Re-read what I said: "I'm sure all you pot backers will hop on that airliner with the stoned pilot then, won't you?"

Where in there do I say you *have* to board a plane with a stoned pilot? Nowhere. Stop putting words in my mouth and stop twisting my thoughts to suit your needs.

What I was trying to communicate is simple: If pot is legalized, it's only a matter of time before some pilot, engineer or other person in a position of authority gets high while on the job. With their judgment impaired, the odds of a disaster occurring multiplies. The odds of you being on the same plane as the stoned pilot as it plunges to the ground? The odds of you being on the passenger train with the zoned out engineer? The odds of you being in the vehicle that's about to get struck head-on by an out-of-control semi with a blasted driver? I don't know. Wanna take a chance? Legalize pot and let's find out the hard way.

Furthermore, pick up the latest copy of USA Weekend. There's a study in there that indicates pot can, indeed, be a gateway drug for people. The study involved twins — oftentimes the twin who ended up using pot went on to other drugs while the twin who stayed off drugs never got sucked into the vortex later in life.

quote: Calling others "idiots" after those gems made my day.

I don't know about you, Berzerker, but you really had to *twist* what I was saying to get it to fit your view on drug use. Furthermore, I didn't call anyone an idiot, thank you very much.

Gatekeeper

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Pot is a gateway drug because the sources for it tend to be close to sources for other drugs. If you're already doing one illegal drug, like pot, jumping to speed or something isn't as huge of a leap. If pot were legalized, it wouldn't be a bridge.

The gateway effect is more a reason to legalize than to criminalize.

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Berzerker:

Contrary to your statement earlier in this thread, I believe brain cells are *not* constantly dying or being inhibited. If they were, we'd all have Alzheimer's or be brain dead by the time were young adults (or just plain dead, since the brain regulates just about everything in our body).

Now, I'm *not* a biology expert, but brain cells are related to nerve cells, no? We know nerve cells do not easily regenerate 98 percent of the time (why the heck do you think Christopher Reeve and so many other vicitims of paralysis are battling for advances in this medical field?) and the same holds true for brain cells, except it's closer to 100 percent non-regeneration for them if they die.

Gatekeeper

	03-02-2003 07:25									#56
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Willem:

Y'know what? I'd rather be a passenger on a plane whose pilot is clear-minded and solidly rooted in reality.

Gatekeeper

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Gatekeeper, no one is going to let a high pilot fly a plane. It just isn't going to happen. There are many other ways to impair your ability to fly a plane (hint: it's called "drinking") and they don't let those pilots fly planes either. If a pilot goes to work either drunk, or high, no way will he be allowed on. He'd most likely be fired.
Yours is perhaps the single most paranoid, insane argument for the criminalization of marijuana I have ever heard in my entire life. It's a 'slippery-slope' argument of the most extreme kind.

"Once we legalize marijuana, what's to stop surgeons from taking it before surgery? What's to stop them????"

	03-02-2003 07:59									#58
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Fascinating! Hell, let's just legalize everything and put our faith that any high, stoned or drunk person will be caught before they cause a damn disaster.

While we're at it, how about repealing laws regarding robbery and murder? We can just have faith that would-be murderers and robbers will be caught before the act or dissuaded by their enlightened peers from carrying out the deed.

My point? There's a good reason that certain drugs are illegal, just as there are reasons why other drugs are available only by prescription: They're potentially dangerous and, frankly, Joe and Jane Six Pack likely don't know or don't care about possible side effects from use thereof. Therefore it falls to the rule of law to at least try and keep things orderly.

Gatekeeper

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Y'know what monlith? Perhaps my "insane" and "paranoid" argument stems from experience with a f*cking pothead who was just a "casual" user! Recreation my ASS.

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quote: Originally posted by Gatekeeper What I was trying to communicate is simple: If pot is legalized, it's only a matter of time before some pilot, engineer or other person in a position of authority gets high while on the job. With their judgment impaired, the odds of a disaster occurring multiplies. The odds of you being on the same plane as the stoned pilot as it plunges to the ground? The odds of you being on the passenger train with the zoned out engineer? The odds of you being in the vehicle that's about to get struck head-on by an out-of-control semi with a blasted driver? I don't know. Wanna take a chance? Legalize pot and let's find out the hard way.

Well that happens now with alcohol, should we make that illegal? How many pilots now in the US were pulled from their flight because they were drunk?

And as someone who uses both alcohol and marijuana, I can assure you that I'm alot more capable when I'm stoned than when I'm drunk.